All 4 birds are 2008 bred, the hens are nest mates with the 2 cocks, I have 4 birds in my race team from these pairs, the furthest I have raced them out is to Leicester 260 miles, I have always had them paired together, ie cock from 1 nest to hen from the other nest, maybe should have tried them with something else, ie my janssenshttp://forum.pigeonbasics.org/public/style_emoticons/default/emoticon-0138-thinking.gif I have culled other stock birds this year, but I believe these may do someone some good, so if anyone wants to give them a go, pm me. the hens are currently like burst pillows, due to the moult, hence no photos, hens are a blue and a dark chequer. thank you