and here was me reading that it was the doc who was thinking only of self interest,what about the lads in the extreme west down to the south west they wouldn't have to compete regionally with lads in camelon,bonnybridge ,denny who incidentally are about a mile west of falkirk which is in sect d,out of interest how many west sect winners have come out of these towns/villages in the last 15/20 years maybe someone could enlighten us