Roland

Golly was I that nissed lol.... must stay away when on trhe amber nectar lol. Any Darren, am send a hen, two chucks this week of 25 miles and straight in at Scotch Corner, just over the 200 miles. I expect her to be first bird back.... and sending 4/5 old cock birds as well. Will let you know how she fares.

I think you will find Respirartory mate.... check it out.

Manners maketh man eh! But it has a two way edge that loft.... Birds may well be in their element, and if he altered it a jot, he could down the shoot in a jiffy.

Quite simply Bruno, there are most, in the clubs, and Fed I am in that the majority still have Toulettes etc. Yes many second hand... me included. Now there are a lot of say T3'S, possibly 2 or three in in each of the clubs I am in... second hand they are around the £100 mark. Still most make do with the older ones... AND the point is that if they can't afford them, and as there aren't any - or many - second hand ET's, then I see a lot won't be having then f THEY have to fork out for them their selves. Even with sponsorships etc, Bands etc at just over a £1 a throw means many will again be detered. So the more afluent will gain again over the plebs... The rights and wrongs don't really matter. Golly I have a hang over... Never use to when the girls bought the drink.... lol

True Bruno

I only sent 6 this last week - end, all old seasoned birds and got six... because I was bored etc. BUT racing won't start till the sun is on the yearling's back... and the 'Natura' flyers get the distance and hard days' simple bur true!!! Even I as nissed as a Pewt knows that... and so should every one that has flown a pigeon"!!!!

Simple reality is that the birds will fly 250 ilers first chuck... why p*ss them off with the cold winds THAT every body with an oune of sense knows that cold winds means losing good birds, let alone an cold east wind. There I have stated the fact... and be big, clever and argue at your peril... iut is fact ... so lose your NEXT years nest and say 'How clever am I'' PLONKERS

AHHH but ewhat about yerlings ... I think you misunderstand the realistic fact hat YEARLINGS hate it.... and will be lost and older seasons birds will endure... at a price. A simple realistic fact that ha been proven time after time ... if one is open to the realistic facts that is!!!!!!

Not actually saying that trhe best on the day won't win and deserve credit as such..... only that tooo often the best WON'T win!!! 15 seconds is a long time... just ponder for a moment how far a bird flies in 15 seconds!!! simple but true!!!!

Stand at the end of a alley way!! Watch your birds fly when circuling around the loft!!!! SEE how they lose speed aETC. when and how the WIND is when they hit it!!! Now if one can't understand that, then simple they are brain dead or liars, who wish not to see ir.... BUTR tat doesn't in reality change one IOTA the facts.... WIND is the essences of winning, to sy otherwise is not a myth... but a lie!"!!

Simple realistic is that the ET wipe the *expletive removed* off genuine flyers who should be beaten WIN! Now just what part of SHOULD' Have do't you understand!!!! It will be a simple cse od EVEN MORE where the best bird on the day doesn't win... and the money boys, those able will love

If I agree, then are you saying that the ET is really tooo dear for MOST to Buy? Or CAMN AFFORD to buy... of course you are.. then then next step is 'Freebies' or go without, which elevates to the the 'Haves' have you by the balls' pure and simple, and me as Nissed as a Pewt, can see that! So just where is the problem of you, and many 'Who can afford, or have a loft location, can't understand! Or better still choose not to understand!

Sorry Stu it ain't never going nto happen!

Well you will learn mucker... only season birds normally 'Tolerate' cold winds, let alone any East. The wiley ole boys nodd knowingly with a wink and say 'East in Wind', they won't even train. Now if your birds are 'Loft Fit' and bouncing about, what is the problem... you relating to 'Humans' and thinking that they can't/ won't do 250 miles etc. first chuck! Tell you what have a 2/3 year old hen sitting tight on 14 day eggs, and 1st chuck at 250 will take all the beatings. Golly known folks where their first chuck is Pau and they have done well. Many have y/b's tha have won a first race / chuck and that is even Berwick 260 miles and dominate the Federation! Like Alan Bland, had 6 youngsters to start him of.... never had time to train, even clean out hardly, and rather than cull sent the 6 to Berwicke 260 miles first 5 club - only 5 made it into the clock, and won the fed, all in top 10. Terry Linnel, I took his pair 40 miles North 1st chuck - young birds again - for him to enter them at Northallerton 150 miles. He sent them South instead to Seaton... 1st 2nd club, and 1st 2nd Upper Thames Federation.... and you are worried about old birds eh! Faint heart never ***** fair pig mucker.

Agree Vic... and us Plebs have bolstered the coffers for the 'Well Off's' and will continue to do so... by their 'Hook or Crook'.

But most will make sure that thay let everyone know what they can't count ... and no one wants a false result in as much they are say 20th and know they are really 45th! No clocks don't make pigeons faster.... but by golly another good thing is that birds don't become 'Trap Shy'! Another unsung advantage... Yes there are exception like 'Breakaway' but that bird was one in mllions. STRANGELY most can't afford T3's etc. anyway... Must get onto to the frebie scam ... but I think only the Scots are eligible... and that as that is what would be expected of them lol.

After all the contrversy, and seemingly running on a tight bugdet to say the least, wiill it still be going in 3 years time... especially if they can't cut any more costs. Hope it will survive, it must be a good Advert FOR non flyers and Public awareness.

What one must remember - and it is a realistic fact that if a ET clocker, let alone a few, are 15 seconds behind a Manual clocker,(on averahe) then the reality is that the manual clocker won't be on the score card. This why the very essence of a handicap of 17 seconds or even 5 seconds won't be tolerated. Yes all the reasons for ET is good... but grossly unfair for those that can't for any reason have them. But it is here and one has to put up or shut up! NO handicap is actually wrong, it is not handicapping the ET, it is more realistic in putting a manual clocker on parr. No manual clocker is asking for an advantage, just 'Fair Play'! But of course in this game it will never happen.

And this is just one of 100’S WinSpeed-1 CCRPA 09/04/06-19:42 Weekly Race Report Page 1 Name: UNITY OPEN Young Bird Race Flown: 09/02/2006 Released: 08:00 Birds: 239 Lofts: 9 Station: UNITY Weather (Rel) SUNNY, CALM, 12 degrees (Arr) SUNNY, S15-20, 24 degrees Perfect Day for a RACE POS LOFT NAME BAND NUMBER CLR X ARRIVAL KMS TOWIN MPM PT 1 Morres Dud/52 0602 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 329.982 00.00 1392.130 104 2 Morres Dudzic 0620 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 2/ 52 00.00 1392.130 102 3 Morres Dudzic 0621 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 3/ 52 00.00 1392.130 100 4 Morres Dudzic 0622 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 4/ 52 00.00 1392.130 97 5 Morres Dudzic 0626 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 5/ 52 00.00 1392.130 95 6 Morres Dudzic 0627 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 6/ 52 00.00 1392.130 93 7 Morres Dudzic 0646 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 7/ 52 00.00 1392.130 91 8 Morres Dudzic 0648 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 8/ 52 00.00 1392.130 89 9 Morres Dudzic 0650 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 9/ 52 00.00 1392.130 87 10 Morres Dudzic 0674 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:02 10/ 52 00.00 1392.130 84 11 Morres Dudzic 0625 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:41 11/ 52 00.38 1388.323 82 12 Morres Dudzic 0616 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:42 12/ 52 00.39 1388.225 80 13 Morres Dudzic 0661 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:42 13/ 52 00.39 1388.225 78 14 Morres Dudzic 0672 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:44 14/ 52 00.41 1388.031 76 15 Morres Dudzic 0671 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:45 15/ 52 00.42 1387.933 74 16 Morres Dudzic 0624 CU 06 EDM C 11:57:47 16/ 52 00.45 1387.739 71 17 Morres Dudzic 0611 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:52 17/ 52 01.49 1381.445 69 18 Morres Dudzic 0630 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:54 18/ 52 01.52 1381.252 67 19 Morres Dudzic 0643 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:56 19/ 52 01.53 1381.059 65 20 Morres Dudzic 0654 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:58 20/ 52 01.56 1380.867 63 21 Morres Dudzic 0610 CU 06 EDM C 11:59:01 21/ 52 01.59 1380.578 61 22 Coronado L/35 0333 CU 06 EDM C 11:50:04 317.563 01.57 1380.306 58 23 Morres Dudzic 0604 CU 06 EDM C 11:59:04 22/ 52 02.02 1380.289 56 24 Coronado Loft 0331 CU 06 EDM 11:50:06 2/ 35 01.59 1380.106 54 25 Coronado Loft 0348 CU 06 EDM C 11:50:07 3/ 35 02.00 1380.006 52 26 Morres Dudzic 0653 CU 06 EDM C 11:59:07 23/ 52 02.05 1380.001 50 27 Coronado Loft 0319 CU 06 EDM C 11:50:13 4/ 35 02.06 1379.406 48 28 Coronado Loft 0352 CU 06 EDM C 11:51:52 5/ 35 03.45 1369.590 45 29 Morres Dudzic 0601 CU 06 EDM C 12:03:25 24/ 52 06.23 1355.623 43 30 Morres Dudzic 0676 CU 06 EDM C 12:03:27 25/ 52 06.24 1355.437 41 31 Coronado Loft 0304 CU 06 EDM 11:55:16 6/ 35 07.09 1349.797 39 32 Coronado Loft 0311 CU 06 EDM 11:56:04 7/ 35 07.57 1345.223 37 33 Morres Dudzic 0631 CU 06 EDM C 12:05:41 26/ 52 08.38 1343.116 35 34 Morres Dudzic 0609 CU 06 EDM C 12:05:44 27/ 52 08.42 1342.842 32 35 Morres Dudzic 0668 CU 06 EDM C 12:06:03 28/ 52 09.01 1341.114 30 36 Coronado Loft 0351 CU 06 EDM C 11:58:01 8/ 35 09.54 1334.202 28 37 M Dziarmaga/8 13654 CU 06 CU BB C 12:04:23 325.687 10.26 1332.685 26 38 Morres Dudzic 0673 CU 06 EDM C 12:08:54 29/ 52 11.52 1325.758 24 39 Morres Dudzic 0615 CU 06 EDM C 12:09:21 30/ 52 12.18 1323.365 22 40 Morres Dudzic 0670 CU 06 EDM C 12:09:24 31/ 52 12.21 1323.100 19 41 Coronado Loft 0637 CU 06 EDM 12:00:08 9/ 35 12.01 1322.442 17 42 Knox Landi/12 1103 CU 06 EDM BLWF C 11:35:54 285.450 10.51 1322.140 15 43 Coronado Loft 0335 CU 06 EDM 12:00:15 10/ 35 12.08 1321.800 13 44 Morres Dudzic 0619 CU 06 EDM C 12:12:52 32/ 52 15.50 1304.961 11 45 Morres Dudzic 0655 CU 06 EDM C 12:12:55 33/ 52 15.53 1304.703 9 46 Morres Dudzic 0652 CU 06 EDM C 12:12:56 34/ 52 15.53 1304.617 6 47 Morres Dudzic 0662 CU 06 EDM C 12:12:56 35/ 52 15.53 1304.617 4 48 Coronado Loft 0324 CU 06 EDM 12:04:11 11/ 35 16.04 1300.508 2 ---------------------- Below are the first birds from each loft --------------- 64 T. Makowec/49 13691 CU 06 CU RDCK C 12:04:44 314.629 18.43 1285.597 0 106 D. Donahue/26 1525 CU 06 CCRP C 12:21:07 322.776 29.15 1236.137 0 123 A Chodorsk/16 1364 CU 06 EDM BB C 12:40:53 320.512 50.39 1141.083 0 WinSpeed-1 CCRPA 09/04/06-19:42 Weekly Race Report Page 2 Name: UNITY1 Young Bird Race Flown: 09/02/2006 POS LOFT NAME BAND NUMBER CLR X ARRIVAL KMS TOWIN MPM PT 134 R. Warrine/28 1037 CU 06 EDM C 13:28:32 358.539 01:10 1091.331 0

They are three different strains.

Absolutely Rose.

Agree Dovesy one.... I wonder how many 100's 1000's this week were a good delivery? But I am pleased you and Chickadee are set up and happy with a fresh courier, I all goes well. Please put THEIR good points and deliveries on post, as I'm sure many will, or could benefit, or at least be happy. Gook luck.

No a Marking station needs 4... and then three present - whether all flown or not to open a clock.

I don't believe that.... I result and they would have had European football again which would have eased their money problems... It was the money side that was their downfall after all!

That is also sad... Where will Dennis be next season. Then Luton, were saved and resurrected, went great guns etc. Then Mike was informed that the team was being disintergrated and good players sold off.... Then they have the chek to ask'What's up, and happening'. So Mike - shouldn't really but would back him 100% and admire his openess and honesty says' PUBLICALLY 'Well what do you expect, you not only wiped the rug from under us, but sold the furniture wth the silver wear' AND wasactually making money for them.... Mind boggles.