Hi As some of you know i started with fancy pigeons in 2004 and due to a friend who gifted me late bred racers in 2009 it got me hooked on the racers however i still have show bird and i fly some out however i have a few hens that have never been paired up and they fly out with my birds and they are always with them they are normally in the middle of the pack, i also fly them with the young birds but once they start to range the show birds come back after about 20minutes as i think they no their limits. I should also add i never intended to race and when gifted the birds i thought they will do to rear my young showbirds, how wrong could i have been haha