i gathered that david when you said stick up for a fellow fancier.cheers the problem doesn't lie with having lots of birds in 6/8 weeks we,ll have over 200 birds in our place 40 of which are in the stock loft these birds as well as the others are handled regularly and checkout and not only there toe nails, when it comes to stock birds you tend not to handle them as often as there not training or racing so in that case its easy to miss but its turned out that this guy has handled it and put it into a basket to train,out a stock loft and into a training basket is a no no in my books but here i go again jumping the gun. have a nice day