cheers stu, fingers crossed. got 1 5 year old, 3, 08 birds, 1, 07, and 3 yearlings going, expecting 7 hours plus?? depending on wind speed give ene on channel, then turning light south inland. My sons 4 latebreds are flying the flag for us in the club race from lulworth, last race for them before being stopped for next year. wanted to send 1 of his to the channel this week, but he said no, glad he has some sense!!! lol