Cheers roland, and lets not get all paranoid, Pigeonbasics, i will always be greatful to for the help and advise over last 5 years, and met some great people. was great to meet you roland, I have to much going on in my life, and want to devote more time to my family and pigeons, So if i cant give something my full attention, then i leave it to the people who can, i dont like doing things by halves, If a job is worth doing its worth doing well. And yes everyone has a different opinion and is entitled to it, there would be no point in forums if everyone did and thought the same! Just some things are better not openly spoke about on open forums, as see no point or gain by doing this. Im sure with a bit of attention to detail and a bit more consideration to its members, pigeonbasics will get back to its former glory, and i hope it does.