PIGEON_MAN

SORRY TO UPSET A FEW BUT I THINK IT,S ALL DOWN TO WEATHER YOU WANT A POSITION THAT YOU HAVN,T WON,IF A GUY CLOCKS 20 PIGEON,S IN BEFORE ME THEN FAIR PLAY TO HIM HE,S PAYED HIS MONEY TO SEND THEM SO HE,S INTITLED TO CLOCK AS MANY AS HE WANT,S IN,AND AS CLUB SECRETARY I,M MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK OUT THE VELOCITY OF EVERYONE.I HAVE TO SEND DETAIL,S OF THE FIRST 10 CLOCKED IN EVERY WEEK TO THE FED ANYWAY SO IF HE AS THE FIRST 10 BEST VELOCITY,S THEN THOSE ARE THE ONE,S I SEND.

THANKS VERY MUCH FOR YOUR ANSWEAR JACK AS A FELLOW EYESIGN FOLLOWER FOR OVER 40 YEARS THAT IS THE ANSWEAR I EXPECTED,I HAVE SAID THE SAME THING TO FANCIERS MANY TIMES AND HAVE HAD SOME VERY FUNNY REMARKS SUCH AS YOU MUST BE MAD IF YOU WOULDN,T HAVE A PAIR OF YOUNGSTER,S OF NATIONAL WINNERS RATHER THAN A PAIR FROM TWO PIGEONS THAT HAVE BEEN PAIRED BY THE EYES AND NOT BY PERFORMANCES.I HAVE OFTEN THOUGHT THIS TO BE MOST OF THE PROBLEM WHY PEOPLE ARE LOSING SO MANY YOUNGSTER,S THEY ARE BREEDING AND BUYING OFF PIGEON,S WITH PAPER PEDIGREE,S AND RACING PERFORMANCES AND AS YOU STATED ABOVE MOST OF THE TIME IT JUST DONT WORK.

I THINK THAT YOU HAVE ANSWEARED YOUR OWN QUESTION THERE KEN BY SAYING IT,S A COUNCIL HOUSE,I WOULD THINK THAT YOU ARE ABOUT 99.99% CERTAIN OF NEEDING PERMISSION TO HAVE PIGEONS BUT AS I SAID BEFORE THERE MAY BE OTHERS FANCIER,S AROUND YOUR AREA THAT COULD GIVE YOU SOME IDEA,S ABOUT APPROACHING THE COUNCIL AS THEY DO HAVE DIFFERANT RULES IN CERTAIN AREA,S THAN IN OTHER,S ALL THE BEST.

SPORTAGRAPHS AND JACK BARKEL,WONDER IF YOU WOULD GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWEAR TO THIS QUESTION,WHICH PAIR OF PIGEONS WOULD YOU SOONER HAVE THE OFFSPRING OFF,A PAIR THAT YOU COUPLED BY THEIR EYES AND KNEW NOTHING ELSE ABOUT OR A PAIR THAT HAD SAY BOTH WON NATIONAL RACES BUT YOU COULD NOT LOOK AT THEIR EYES.

KEN ,WHERE DO YOU LIVE AND DO YOU OWN YOUR OWN PROPERTY.

SURELY THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY IF YOU OWNED YOUR OWN HOUSE IF IT IS COUNCIL PROPERTY YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY THEIR RULES.

SUPERLEEDS,THE SEVERN VALLEY FED,WERE ALSO AT KINGSDOWN TODAY LIB,WAS 11.35 MOST MEMBERS IN OUR CLUB HAD PRETTY GOOD RETURNS WINNER ONLY DOING 1198.THOUGH,FLYING 104 MILES.

MAYBY NOT IN YOUR AREA BUT IN MOST AREA,S IF YOU KEEP PIGEON,S YOU NEED TO GET PERMISSION OFF THE LOCAL COUNCIL,AS I SAID BEFORE DIFFERANT COUNCIL,S HAVE DIFFERANT RULES.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THE ONE LOFT RACES IS THE FACT THAT THE BIRDS ARE COMING IN FROM ALL PARTS OF THE COUNTRY AND FROM GOOD FANCIERS AS WELL AS BAD,SOME THAT COME IN ARE ALLREADY DISEASED AND PROBABLY HAVE NO CHANCE OF SURVIVAL FROM THE START,AND THESE ARE SOMETIMES FROM REALLY GOOD FANCIER,S WHOM YOU WOULD THINK WOULD TAKE GREATER CARE IN SENDING THEM.

I THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT THERE ARE DIFFERANT LAWS THAT APPLY IN EACH COUNCIL,IF I WAS YOU I WOULD FIND OUT WHO IS THE RIGHT PERSON ON YOUR COUNCIL THAT DEAL,S WITH PLANNING ETC,AND MAKE A PROPER APPLICATION AND THEN SEE WHAT HAPPENS,I DONT THINK PUTTING A LOFT UP FIRST THEN ASKING LATER IS A VERY GOOD IDEA AT ALL.WHERE ABOUTS DO YOU LIVE AS THERE MAY BE FANCIERS ALLREADY IN YOUR AREA THAT COULD GIVE YOU ADVISE.I,M SURE SOMEBODY ON HERE WILL GIVE YOU THE ADDRESS OF THE SECRETARY OF A CLUB NEAR TO YOU.

PERSONELLY I,M NOT TO WORRIED ABOUT NOT HAVING CHANNEL RACING FOR THE YOUNGSTERS AS OUR FED DOESN,T FLY THE CHANNEL ANYWAY IN THE Y.B.PROGRAMME ALLTHOUGH I LIKE TO SEND IN THE YOUNG BIRD NATIONAL,S OVER THE WATER,I WAS THINKING MORE ON WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT ABOUT NEXT YEAR WEATHER OR NOT FANCIER,S THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS AS THIS SEASON.

HI MARVIN,AS YOU KNOW (OR PERHAPS DIDN,T KNOW) I AM SEC.OF THE MALVERN S.R.I.C. WHO FLY WITH THE SEVERN VALLEY,I ALLWAYS USED TO PUT OUR RESULT ON THE RESULT SITE ON HERE BUT I MUST ADMIT JUST LATELY I HAVE NOT GOT ROUND TO IT WHAT WITH ONE THING AND ANOTHER I JUST DONT SEEM TO GET TO PUT IT ON, BUT ANYWAY HERE,S OUR VELOCITIES FOR LAST WEEK,E.COLLINS 1815.848 AND 1809.135,STOCKER BROS.1808.847,M.AND C.LEE 1783.406.ALL IN ALL I THINK MOST MEMBERS HAD GOOD RETURN,S ALLTHOUGH NOT SO GOOD MYSELF,IT WAS MY FIRST RACE AND I FINISHED UP WITH 8 OUT OF 13.ALL THE BEST TONY.

WHAT DO OTHERS MEMBERS ON HERE THINK,WILL WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM EVERY SEASON NOW OR DO YOU THINK IT WILL EVER GET BACK TO NORMAL,PERSONALLY I CAN SEE THIS HAPPENING FOR A FEW YEARS.EVERYBODY ELSE SEEMS TO THINK THAT THERE IS NO PROBLEM BUT NOT DEFRA AND I GUESS IT,S THEM WHO CALL THE SHOTS NO MATTER WHAT ANYBODY TELLS THEM.

PROBABLEY BECAUSE THERE AINT MANY ON HERE THATS HAD A WINNER AT THAT DISTANT JIM,MANAGED TO CLOCK ON THE DAY ONCE FROM 561 MILES BUT THEN WAS ONLY SECOND,AND THAT WAS ABOUT THIRTY YEARS AGO.

HEY WESTY HOW DID YOU FINISH UP THE WEEKEND I,M SURE EVERYONE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW,APPOLOGIES IF I,VE MISSED IT ELSE WHERE.

WHERE ABOUTS IN THE SW.ARE YOU GROVEHOMER.

HAVE YOU ANY IDEA WHEN THAT MAY HAVE BEEN,IF YOU HAD THEM FROM ELSEWHERE THE PREVIOUS OWNER SHOULD HAVE A RECORD,BUT FAILING THAT HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAD THEM.

SEVERN VALLEY FED.AT WINCANTON.

YOU COULD LOOK AT THIS IN A DIFFERANT WAY,IF YOU TRAIN EARLY IN A MORNING AND THEY GET LOST THEY COULD FLY FOR HOURS AND FINISH UP HUNDREDS OF MILES FROM HOME WITH NO CHANCE OF GETTING BACK,IF YOU TRAIN IN THE EVENING AND THEY GET LOST THERE IS LESS CHANCE OF THEM GOING TO FAR BECAUSE OF LESS DAYLIGHT,O.K THEY WILL HAVE A NIGHT OUT BUT YOU HAVE MORE CHANCE OF GETTING THEM BACK FIRST LIGHT AS THEY WONT BE COMPLETLY FLOWN OUT.

DO YOU TRAIN YOUR DISTANT YOUNG BIRDS ROSE AS BABIES VERY MUCH OR LEAVE THEM UNTIL THEIR YEARLINGS.

I,M SURPRISED NOBODY AS MENTIONED VACCINATION AS BEING THE PROBLEM FOR SO MANY LOSSES,A LOT OF FANCIERS I HAVE SPOKEN TO SAY THAT IT CANT BE DOING THEM ANY GOOD,BUT THEN IS IT JUST ANOTHER EXCUSE.

HOPE THE BIRDS WERE FASTER THAN YOU RAY.LOL