What if ye found a good distance cock that has bred you 3/4 pigeons to score at the distance. You then run him through all the best distance hens you have, say prize winners, breeders of prize winners, and daughters/sisters of prize winners all at the distance. Surely then you are increasing your chances of breeding good distance pigeons. Its just a different method to expanding your chances of breeding good distance birds with 20 pair. Many roads lead to Rome and evry one to their own. atb Mick