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sorry correction the first Saturday the 7th is the Edinburgh show we will start the Saturday 14th of November young birds through the wire cocks /hens then eye-sign class Saturday 21st of November old birds through the wire cocks/ hens then eye-sign class Sunday29th of November young cocks/ young hens handling Saturday 5th December old cock/ old hens handling Saturday 12th December any age through the wire then best in show from all the winners penning 11.30 -judging 13.00

we are holding shows in our club house every saturday in november plus the first saturday in december not sure of the classes yet but will find out when the lanarkshire fed meeting takes place the saturday show will move to the sunday http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=bridge+st+,hamilton&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.374478,39.023438&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Bridge+St,+Hamilton,+Lanarkshire+ML3,+United+Kingdom&ll=55.768028,-4.051423&spn=0.011491,0.038109&z=15&iwloc=A

mowbray is sticking by his main man ;D

i see many people on here recommending that they take there birds along to get them tested by an avain vet how much would it cost for a test for cocci,canker,worms and paratyphoid ? would you be able to take a few birds along to get them tested or do they price per bird they test?

heard someone never made it home till 10 am and he is still allowed out this weekend what a wife that is

just read the downfield show to be held in dundee masonic you could get your second degree there rab

brother robert you should know by now i don't hide but you do when your in the gow temple

be even happier if your team gets gubbed tomorrow ;D

just read colin walker the top pigeon vet from Australia http://www.auspigeonco.com.au/ what do you think owen ? Time to clear up some myths By Dr. Colin Walker B.Sc. B.V.Sc. M.A.C.V.S (avian health) Myth 1. ‘Air sac disease’ can be diagnosed in the droppings: Microscopic examination of droppings is a useful diagnostic step but it is important that fanciers realize this test’s limitations. Last week at the clinic we had an unusual situation. We had a fancier ask us to diagnose if his birds had air sac disease (ie. an infection of the air sacs) by examining his birds droppings. He seemed to think this was quite possible and stated that this had been done elsewhere. Let me state here quite categorically that this is just not possible. In the droppings we can diagnose parasitic problems such as worms and coccidia and in very fresh samples Hexamita. We can also get an impression (particularly with special stains) of the bacteria present and also detect the presence of yeasts. If the birds are not well, for any reason, so that their ability to resist disease is reduced, bacteria capable of causing disease will take advantage of this, increase in number and the bacterial population in the bowel will change. Any health problem (and included in this list is air sac disease) or indeed any management or environmental error (eg cold damp loft, poor diet, over tossing) can lead to these changes. Any vet who examines droppings microscopically and based on this, diagnoses air sac disease is just not being honest. And if a vet suggests that antibiotics for this condition should commence after only doing this test, lets face it, it’s time to get a new vet. The two principle causes of respiratory infection in pigeons are Chlamydophila and Mycoplasma. Chlamydophila is diagnosed usually in a live bird either by a Chlamydia immunocomb test (which detects Chlamydia antibodies in the blood stream, costs about $50.00 and takes about 5 hours to do }or alternatively a Chlamydia PCR (that measures Chlamydia DNA in the blood stream, costs about $40.00 and takes about 10 days to do). With Mycoplasma, although symptoms displayed by the birds and changes visible on microscopic examination of a throat swab may be suggestive, usually an autopsy combined with histopathology (microscopic examination of tissues) is required. Myth 2. ‘Fungal problems in grain can be detected by simply culturing the grain’ When grain is cultured for fungi the fungal spores on the grain will grow and the grain will go mouldy. This does not necessarily mean the grain is bad and condemning the grain based on this test is simply not correct. The test is just not valid. Mould spores (the fungal equivalent of a seed) are quite commonly found in samples of grains and legumes and occur naturally in these samples. Often the mould is present as inert spores that would not become active unless they come in contact with moisture. The presence of mould in itself is not the important factor but whether or not the mould has been active and is of a species that would give rise to fungal toxins (called mycotoxins). To measure mycotoxin levels is a laboratory procedure. Expect to pay about $100.00 for this test or ask your local grain merchant whether the grain he is supplying has had this test. If any one offers to test grain for a lower amount simply ask yourself why is it so cheap. Probably the grain is simply being cultured and the results are just not of any real use to you. If fanciers need further information I suggest you contact the experts at Agrifood on 1800 801 312. Ask to speak to Don Patterson. Myth 3. ‘That Streptococcus (a bacteria) can be diagnosed by microscopic examination of droppings or culturing of droppings’ This one is a beauty. Streptococcus is regarded as a normal inhabitant of the bowel in pigeons. It is therefore found in the droppings of both healthy and sick birds. Finding it in the droppings therefore means nothing. Any vet who finds it here and diagnoses your birds as having Streptococcus infection is simply ‘pulling your leg’. Streptococcus can cause disease however it only becomes a problem when it invades the bowel wall (leading to a green watery diarrhea) or enters the blood stream. Once in the blood stream it can infect a variety of sites. To diagnose Streptococcus one needs to therefore identify the bacteria elsewhere in the body (ie. not in the bowel) or associate it directly with bowel wall inflammation. Correct diagnosis leads to the correct medication being supplied and an understanding of the biology of the current problem. This means we know how the problem came about and what measures we need to adopt to prevent it happening again. Incorrect diagnosis leads to inappropriate use (usually overuse) of medication and an inability to understand the current problem properly. Assess the advice you are given. If your birds become unwell don’t ask the old fella at the club, your neighbour or your mate. Your local veterinarian will be helpful but often the best person to contact is a fully qualified avian veterinarian. There are currently approximately 24 avian vets available throughout Australia. Victoria has 4, Queensland has 7, and New South Wales has 8. If fanciers wish to contact me at the clinic I can always put them in touch with their closest one.

my father had pigeons i just kind of had them in my blood and was never away from the lofts until i was about 15 then it was not cool to be seen pushing the barrow of birds to the club so i just lost interest but would still have a look now and again my father passed away 10 years ago i just kept them going for my mothers sake when she passed away i moved the lofts the last three years i have put more of an effort into my birds being around my own back garden it make's it a lot easier

been using cider vinegar with mother the best you can get if you can get it also tried honeygar from holland and barrett

looking at my birds with a torch tonight noticed not every bird but some birds would open there beak and shake there heads take the torch off them they would stop put it back they did not like it is this a sign of canker? or is it an old wife's tale i read ;D

moxedectin in the for 24 hours

thanks

what camera do you use?

who done the pic's? the pied is a topper

would you do that when they are still moulting and what happens?

during the racing season due you treat davy?

without testing every single bird in your loft how can you say your loft is free from canker,cocci and worms

flat as a pancake from eyemouth all the way up the east and most times there will be west in the wind which will hinder the boys in the west

going to treat november for worms december for cocci january for canker,pmv not decided about parathyphoid yet will wait till after i speak to some vets in blackpool

sorry lads i was out early last night on the bevy reckon accies will take a point today from celtic

might get some good birds on here just do your homework on the seller

bit off topic sorry hopefully the libline problem will be discussed not being updated or fanciers not phoning there were more times on here compared to the snfc website