yes danny it is harder for fanciers in the west at nationals.mostly down to the west wind. looking at your post i am now looking to buy any race birds from dundee.as you say dundee bird only flys 11 mile off line of flight.also birds fly over hills so should not stop them and if it is bad good birds find way through.any fancier worth their salt knows it is harder to get a good out a national in the west and even harder north west.as for the dundee doo,s that don,t make it home not to worry their only 11 mile of their line of flight