walterbmasson

thats one for the think tanks for the four nations race YPRES how can you have [ 2 ] 1st SCOTTISH NATIONAL winners from the same race SNRPC SNFC THERE IS PLENTY TIME TO WORK IT OUT THE GRASS ALWAYS GREENER THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE 8) 8) 8)

we have a very good secretary in fact you wont get any better there the ones you dont want to loose but there must be more than one involved it has to do with the transporting of birds DISGUSTING I just hope everything goes all right tomorrow

frank i am not accusing nobody of any misdoing just trying to gog peoples memorys that there is another 200mls after the first drop in the nationals if the weather] FORCAST OK ROR EARLY LIB LET ALL BIRDS HAVE A CHANCE TO GET HOME ON THE DAY] SURLY THATS NOT PUTTING ANY PRESSURE ON RACE CONTROLLER IF THE CAST IS GOOD WHAT BLAME CAN YOU PUT ON AN EARLY LIB YOU CANT PUT A NAVIGATION SYSTEM ON TO THE PIGEONS BACKS I CANT PUT IT ANY CLEARLY AFTER ALL IT IS CALLED LONG DISTANCE RACING AND AS THE POST DISTINCTLY SAYS FAIRNESS FOR ALL END OF STORY GOOD RACING FOR 2009 FRANK 8) 8) 8)

i dont know the real facts but if this is found out to be correct the SNFC must take action and donate section trophies to the rightfull owners if the out come is found to be true the tours trophy should be presented to the rightful owner along with next years winners surly this must happen after all honesty must prevail

frankdooman if i can see the btrds over the channel and another 100 mls clear to get them under way honestly iam not bothered about 30 to 40 mls of rain as you will not win any races if the birds cant come through a 50mls of rain and i learn my youngsters to home in bad conditions because some time in life they are going to meet some very bad races i guarantee it pays to do it and frankdooman i for one isnt bothered about a splash of rainit is better to meet some rain on the home end than being cooped up to long in crates loosing condition after all our birds in the baskets tuesday 10am for a friday race wednesday same time for saterday race as ive said if they get a good start eap one for all and all for 8) 8) 8) 8) one

l wil lie i dont know the man personally but if this is the case its the biggest fraud thats happened in scottish pigeon racing away from the money side he has conned 10 deserving section winners out 1st positions and the same 2nds right down the line but the 1st open is just scandelious my self the net should have been set with out the mesh missing iam sure this could and should have been stopped before every body looses faith in SNFC ITS NOT A GOOD SUBJECT IN ANY SPORT IT LEAVES A BITTER TASTE IN YOUR MOUTH

frankdooman i never once said let the birds go in bad weather and all the years i have raced birds ive complained about what direction the weather n.s.e.or.west but i am sorry and appoligise but i cant help it if your birds cant navigate in certain winds the post is about if its a chance to get the birds up early if its a chance ps.send 2 rings i will send a couple that will cheers 8) 8) 8)

me vet of loft we dont want to change anything all we want is to scrap this ludicrous rule that was changed in 1990 back to status quo this rule was passed to cruicfy the longest flying members eddie manns bird is a true champion he timed in at that time eddie is in another region from us the furthest flying birds had another 60mls to go what chance had they none=================================== long way

alan peterhead and fraserburgh is the most eastmost point in scotland iam not going into whats the lightest and darkest but iam willing to put afun bet when the wind is into the east or north its darker on the coast and and certainly more colder i will never forget whenmy red cock won the sec from the last rennes smash it was baltic in june i am sure some peterhead fancier will answer you as its colder there :-/ :-/ :-/

i.b your dead right north of scotland does not count were notasking for much just to be treated fairly as you know your self we have mentioned different ways of trying to make the other members of the snfc see that north of scotland is being frozen out if another fairer way race closes after last bird timed at night fanciers have to verifie day birds so wont be no problem more food for thought 8) 8)

black w.f aberdeen is another 40 mls to elgin buckie banff fraserburgh doddie roos was a very close friend of mine over the years i regard him is an all time great that showed at his clearence sale he visited my loft had a good few drams a good job mike massie was there with him or i would have clocked him many times he was a great character i think mike went away home that night and missed the bird davie pirie may correct me but ithink tried to fly down a few times before he got it in it was so dark it was after 10 pm may be 10.30 pm some one will put a light on it but that dosent alter the fact if the birds are up as early as possible it gives a tired bird time to find a place to roost the nearer the bird is to home it will be more willing to rise the next day

andy gordons doo was a great performance and certainly the bird was resting and got up to win the national idid not have any away at the kings cup but iwill say you wont get a better block and how much times have i to say a mid day when viable is the best thing for a fair playing and andy i can say with confidence it will happen again if we get a chance which i hope we do but andy what long bird racing is all about and dont think for one miniute i am against fanciers south of us all iam trying to get through to all fanciers that every fancier has the devine right to win the nationals outright and if that is living on another planet i think you should get one a good bit further away so i will repete it again the only way to minimise it when possible go for eap liberation 8) 8)

andy gordons doo was a great performance and certainly the bird was resting and got up to win the national idid not have any away at the kings cup but iwill say you wont get a better block and how much times have i to say a mid day when viable is the best thing for a fair playing and andy i can say with confidence it will happen again if we get a chance which i hope we do but andy what long bird racing is all about and dont think for one miniute i am against fanciers south of us all iam trying to get through to all fanciers that every fancier has the devine right to win the nationals outright and if that is living on another planet i think you should get one a good bit further away so i will repete it again the only way to minimise it when possible go for eap liberation 8) 8)

Garethrankin you have just nailed it on the head go back to the rules of 1990 it should never have been changed the only thing should have been changed any bird clocked in after 10.45 pm will be timed at 4.45am was it 11pm closing time in the pub as they certainly not looking for doos unless they were so full of the jollies and seeing thingies flying about but i can assure you its over sized bats for goodness sake stay out of the bub and take a look up into the sky at 10.45pm i will convert you nothing flys in the skys at night ducks geese bats but sadley we cant time them in >

GarethRankin yes the hrs of darkness is fine ive on complants if the birds get up when they should as early as possible at least its giving the longest flying birds an out side chance getting one one on the day now gareth let the birds go say 7am flying 15 1/2hrs that takes you to10.30 now i would like to think iam speaking for all north fanciers theres no pigeons flying because they are not allowed its pitch black ] so in my simple mind we are giving the south fanciers half hour and i am sure theres a lot of national positions in the second day and i can tell you ive looked at every result one that jumps to my mind was the rennes national in 1999 the birds were released at 5.45am good enough time i was sitting at my loft the back of 10pm with a fur jacket in june it turned out a real stinker other wise a smash just look at the whole result not a bird timed in at 11pm i dont think any at 10.30 pm i clocked that day 125th open 6 hrs clear of next north section bird which was the same family of birds the late george ritchie which often mentioned to me the only way the national will be won up north early lib -------or if were lucky enough to get a mid day liberation --------------------------

robbiedoo in the past 40years there isnt a hand full timed on the day from 600mls but i can assure you theres a hell of a lot been on the door step that didntget get the chance due to lib times a lot meet there waterloo by holding the birds back ok once in a while but its every race > >

stuart i agree you cant get enough air flowing iam open every way also a 12 inch fan going 24[ 7 taking it out as fast as its coming in ;D

roland they can scrap h o d any time they want for me as long as its early as possible i dont think the north lads would loose any sleep after allbirds let go at 5am after all 10pm is 17hrs now that is more like it but still youve got to have the birds to do it but at the moment were loosing a hour and more every race and that is what this post is about

isuppose the inland races will always stay about the same as most of fanciers are into the widowhood and going for 300miles as you should know being on the clock commitee for snfc when you see the amount that goes to the y b national 360 mls how many would go if the old birds were flying 360mls from eastborne so i would say even stephen but different story from french racing i would say a big drop in the long races after loosing the snrfc because they must be sending 1000 birds plus so ian definately a big drop in the longest races which iam sorry both clubs cant afford :-/

i suppose the inland races will always stay about the same as most of fanciers are into the widowhood and going for 300mils as you should know being on the clock commitee for SNFC when yousee the amount thats going to the YBNATIONAL 360miles how many would you send if the yearlings but different story from france with loosing the

YOU ARERIGHT STEVIE IF THEY START LETTING THEM UP I AM SURE YOU WILL GET MORE DAY DOOS MORE FANCIERS GOING FOR DISTANCE I KNOW FOR A FACT FANCIERS WENT INTO ONLY CLUB RACING BECAUSE THE TIMES THEY WERE LETTING THE DOOS GO AND HAVING A GOSTER OF GETTING A BIRD :B

budgie its time there was a open meeting and see if the people involved to stop this stupid bickering and get back to one organisation THE SNFC

;D a basket of birds wont take more than 15 min to all get a good drink all they want to do after that is get into the skys and head home they make there own water after that ;D

delboy your my mam just ask anybody in the north of scotland fed you will finish up with better birds the ones that is full of antibotics will not survive

redrocket i was thinking about going one better re the post ha ha 8)