there would be other ways to do it just like a few years ago in the snfc and before that in the infc ,how these guys did it is well known and they were easily caught/found out , so if there was a way to do it with ets dont u think they would have done that instead ? trust is what i have for every pigeon fancier ,if i went down that road saying this ones at it and that ones at it then i would pack it in .to me dedication and hard work wins pigeon races oh and location helps big time . the only fault at this time for me is that once in a while a ring doesnt register either during the race or at marking ,which to me is a pain in the *expletive removed*