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I didn't know that Tony. I thought the white powder was like a starch which was good sign

thanks for the replies kyle akin im near London mate

cheers Wiley what do you think of petite French ? it looks a small maize very much like the 2 you mentioned

what kind of maize would members buy by choice and purchased as a straight to add to a standard mix for the race season

that's a big help ingredient wise, although I guess price was it would not be much of a saving trying to make it

anyone got any thoughts what's in it

Hi Andy thank you for your help , I did find this post but im a bit thick and can't really work out how to go about making a homemade product from the details they give

yes did have a search but other than what's in the packet in the form of minerals and terms beyond me,no real info in a way its easy to understand , I just wonder if its like a fish meal plus other bits coated onto the wheat

thanks for the reply , good of you

have any members tried to make a product like hormoform , and if so any pro's or cons with what you tried just thinking of making a something like it for breeding thanks

thanks for your advice Owen

hi Owen do you think that early bred ybs could work on the system if kept with the older team of the same sex?

Hi Owen thank you for your reply . would you consider early bred young cocks being allowed to join your old bird cock team once they have shown they are mature to be trained with the ob team in say late march

any other views or Advice more than welcome even if not positive

thanks Ib I found in the little time i tried the system the cocks flew very well not non stop but up and down in small groups , I understand the time problem you mentioned which is why I posted the topic regardind ybs being split into the ol bird teams thanks neil

that's a good tip thanks as I was worried about the ybs roaming

thanks Peter can i ask why did you keep the ybs with the hens ? and not keep the young cocks with the old cocks once they were flying and a little bit more mature

yes Tommy its a real pain with the shift work just to keep to a routine with having the birds out ,feeding etc

Hi Tommy thank you the positive feed back , as you said time wise it would be a big plus point for me and really only any real hassle for a short few weeks when the young cocks are growing yes it would be good to know Owens thoughts on the topic

thanks Kirky any other views on the idea from members that may have tried it

what about early jan bred ybs Kirky? to allow them time to mature prior to main loft flying late march time What do you have in mind as the problem when the ob's are flying out? once the ybs have a little age on them the ybs could be trained by may so I do not understand the problem other than when they are first weaned for a couple of weeks? , I prefer the ybs to be in the air early rather than later anyway thanks for you views so far ,open to any views or advice

Has any members raced both cocks and hens on the celibate system and their ybs to from the same sections cocks in one hens in the other both ybs and obs mixed I was just wondering reason being is I have very limited time and wanted to try a new system ,early in the year I have about 90 mins with my birds in the morning as I arrive home after 730 pm so letting them out is limited time wise ,plus I wish to race both sexes so allowing 3 sets out is not easy in the time I have I do have a small weaning pen to put the squeakers in, and I was thinking once the ybs were 30-35 days old(cocks and hens ring numbers and sex noted from ringing stage)I could split them into the adult sections cocks in with the old cocks and hens the same to where they would spend the rest of there life while racing this would be done late feb early march so the ybs have 10 days or more in with the obs prior to the obs going out for the first time since September, should the older birds be to strong on the wing of course the ybs could be moved to the spare section for a week or so each time I let the obs out . The reason why I am thinking celibate is that they fly better around home compared to natural pigeons so the older birds should not pull the ybs down , the little bit of celibate I have done and what I have read the birds fly well and do tend to go off more anyone tried this kind of system before or have any advice to help with this rough idea

thanks Its for a mate of mine who is starting up , I told with the vents he has had 50-55 would be ok he has a ob loft the same size so again I said 24 pairs as a guide. the loft design is a little different from mine hence the question

how many yb's would members keep in a 12 foot by 6 foot loft , the front has a open window 3 foot by 2 foot which opens into a box trap about 4 foot long by 2 foot deep the front of the loft has 2 vents both 1 foot square in the base of the front and the back has a 4 inch gap the whole length of the back thanks in advance