have found the latter , having a dozen diffrent breeds and chancing to luck the best option. most the pedigree "bred from this and that" only bred "this and that" and have now gone .
thanks for the reply , i often dont answer some posts in fear i will tempt fate . yes maybe a little more confidence in there breeding that they can do it
this bird has been in the garden since first light ,wouldnt go in with any of ours . finally trapped it in the feed store . SU 09 AN 1919 has no wing stamp or contact ring , nor rubber or ETS ??
ooh , i would get some settled birdds out this evening and early morning ,just in case any are hanging around ,and let the local boys know too . hope some turn up for you .