this thread has really run its corse nothing solved slagging louella off nothing to be gained and at times very unfair to them maybe they have problems at times but we all have and so have all the other studs in different degrees i got 6 y/bs off a guy one year a good fancier 2 dropped down dead the next day the day after another one and i culled the other 3 and they all looked perfect when they came so who knows thats why i always keep seperated for 5-7 dys