Well Owen i take on your point of view but what i am saying is they are not far away from the champs and they do breed winners and producers i am saying they are in my opinion
worth taking a chance on i never said i would be buying a loft full
as i mostly buy in teams of young birds from different flyers like my ronnys my dist pigeons jan thaellens i bought 2 pair and was gifted 2 pair from a small dutch stud
others are purchased from proven producers but what i did find out long ago most of my best producers bred birds to win and score in there first breeding year at club and fed level
others i have bought are top lines that i have purchased from winning lofts and and lofts with class distance lines