jimmy white

keep looking at pigeon basics best of luck

wicker baskets [not looked after properly , and they need a lot of looking after ] are a haven for desease ,bugs etc ,,wire crates steam cleaned every week would be better in my opinion , plain water in drinkers ,, birds will drink better ,, milton diluted in their water on home comming will bathe their crops of any bacteria [it will only be effective for 20 mins ,] this well leave sterile water ,,but ,,able to be contaminated again after this time

would like to take the chance of this thread, to thank the unknown non-fancier who handed injured pigeon into . WEST PORT VETENARY CLINIC,,LINLITHGOW , who tended to the bird free of charge , contacted me,[through pb ] bird now back with owner. also a MRS VIVIAN HUNTER AND YOUNG DAUGHTER OF NEWCASTLE [,NON FANCIERS] WHO, AGAIN CONTACTED ME,, THROUGH PB ,,making moves to re-unite this bird with owner

best of luck to all,,,,,,,,,,and nogin ;D ;D ;D and carluke ;D ;D ;D

dont tell me tony and i have that as well ;D ;D ;D no, but seriously , i do see your point

thats bang on harky ;D the birds more important than the ring [but it still is a nasty carry on, to do anything like this ,,,no need for it whatsoever]

exactly ,,one thing you cant do,,is put an old head on young shoulders [you feeling like me tony,, lousy ;D up all night,,second night like that ] anyway just posting ,,passing thoughts

1,, are the birds of the same quality [constitution-wise]??? 2,, hawks are rife now,, and , allthough might only kill one,,will scatter a whole lib , leaving them with little or no faculties [shock] , thats the ones that havent been ,maimed or injured due to their panick , flying into all and sundry. 3 the weather is more unsettled nowadays, than of old ??? 4. are the fanciers of a different quality nowadays [management-wise] , with darkness systems, lightness systems etc,,,,over keen to win a short 60mile yb race , by keeping them hungry etc ,,,i find some diets, leave a lot to be desired ,, for a growing young bird, these diets will give you a winner, but what about the ones that make a mistake [these usually make the best o,bs, if they return] these "new diet birds " cannot last more than a few hours on the wing without being skin and bone ,dehydrated , therefore ,,again loosing their faculties, due to this. [in my opinion] 5. whats in the air nowadays ,, waves of all sorts ,, mobile phones, radar, airwaves polluted , satelite etc,, 6 being an aerial rigger most of my working days had noticed that the old back and white tv,, was v,h f,,[ very high freq., ]then changed to u,h f [ultra high freq.] i found losses began to escalate from there on all these points ,just makes one wonder,,one thing is ,,we need to find out,, for at this rate ,,,,there will be no pigeon racing in the years to come,,,,,,,,,,,,food for thought

this is true chris 08, but in years gone by,, we had a lot more birds ,,members etc ,,,,,,,,,we [for instance] sent approx 710 birds to the second club race penrith nearly 6,000 in fed with allmost 100pc returns ,,,,,whats so different these days ?? smaller numbers are sent , there are fewer members now,,,yet the losses are greater , :-/ :-/ :-/ allthough i agree with you chris , with each feds yb,s getting liberated , close together [both timewise and racepointwise] and also, yb,s will get carried away ,and excited and keep flying etc,,,,,,,,,,,, but this also happened years ago ,,,,,,,,,,but we still didnt have so many losses , even late yb,s eventually got home,, in 1958 i raced 9 yb,s to a chicken hut [with the chickens in it ;D] i started off with 9 [first toss was on the bike ;D] then they went by train. [stationmaster at eskbank station weighed them ,for the price , ;D ; thats why we used a cardboard egg box "lighter, ;D,,,, lighter still if you put your foot under the scales,they were in ;D ;D ;D " they went,, along with plenty other birds from all over, to heriot about `10 miles ,fountainhall 15 miles stow 20 miles, galashiels 25miles then we could jump them to hawick about 50 miles ,they done this toss everyday [cycling to the station] for about a fortnight b4 the first race [brand new cardboard box, every time ;D ,very clean ,no desease ] STILL had the 9 birds [and the dozen chickens ;D ;D ;D],, but the point is,, these birds flew , right up to the yb national..[ then cheltenham 300 miles ] not a puny 200 odd miles we have now out of the 9 birds we started with ,we had 7 left after the yb national [still got the loft book to proove it ] the point being , i wasnt the only one like this ,,most fanciers were the same, having lost only the odd bids ,, this could or would not happen today,, so, hence my post ,,,,whats so different about nowadays ???? that we loose all these birds, sometimes all in ,,one go grandpa broon ,,,sorry white ;D ;D ;D ,

quite right ,,,, find milkyal,s post a little [jumping the gun to a lady non -fancier] a wee bit much :(

what do fanciers put down to the horrendous yb losses each year ?? they can be winning for weeks,,,,,,,,then it happens,,,bang [either sooner or later ]

cotinual losses ofyb,s [getting worse in the last ten years] is there a need for this annual slaughter of the youngsters ,,,in the old days we used to like them all raced out to yb nat,[and it was quite easily possible], nowadays not possible,,,and as far as birds being reported [even with stamped wings, or phone nos on rings] are close to nil,,,something dreadfully amiss ,, found out yb,s trained raced 100 miles ,,will be as good as any other as two year old [problem is the losses usually occur up to 100 miles :-/ :-/ :-/],, tell me one fancier who hasnt had a bang,,,,,yet :-/ :-/if not ,, sorry to say ,,your turn will come [sounds bad,,but true],,,,i think this has to be looked into very carefully , as to reasons etc , their not all bad birds

i would put half a teaspoon condies crytals in the bath,, a lot like garlic [cant go wrong there,, put too much in ,,they wont bath ] couple cloves of garlic in a lemonade bottle ,filled with warm [not boiling] ,,left a few days ,, just a blub blub blub in the drinking water ,, again too much,, they,ll not drink,,,spoonfull cider vinegar in drinker [not all at the same time ;D] again too much they wont drink it,, i never put cider vinegar in bath,,,, use to put salt in the bath,, just to clean any wounds or grazes ,, supposed to be good for lice [makes them thirsty ;D],, but nowt really beats clean pure water in the bath [you can put as much as you like in ;D]

this is true,, but as far as ybs ,,catch 22 situation

simple,,,, buy or dont ;D [or better still barter ;D]

lost 17 birds from training toss mostly gb 08 z rings a few shu plain rings 2 ihu rings , phone nos on rings , the guy is gutted , dont know his phone no, off by heart but begins with 0131,,,

this is the" downs" of pigeon racing for you,, i sincerely hope there are many more birds back by now,, a freind of of mine had 6 tosses from otterburn [about 60 odd miles ] all tosses , birds back in" jig time" some in dodgy weather , birds usualy taking one hour 20 mins approx,,he tossed them on the most perfect day ,7th time, blow home south wind ,blue skies ,,even sun :-/,, one bird back 6hours later , 4 back next day ,,that was over a week ago,, never seen a feather since????? [17 missing] his phone nos are on rings.. ,,i would put this down to hawks ,,kill one,, the rest scatter ,maim, injure themselves and loose all faculties ,, hawks are rife in this area , [have said this b4] mostly gb z birds and few shu plain rings 2 ihu rings missing ,, i hope he gets some more back also

thanks for update shadow,, good luck to all [and good luck shadow ]

well done tariq , another younger member doing well,, stick in there ,,,hope to here more

congrats to mr mrs 84 ;D certainly a big healthy looking lad ,,, all the very best indeed

well done,,wee gaz absolutely topping flying ,, keep it up son ;D ;D ;D another youngster putting egg on their dads face ;D ;D ;D [im sure both dads will be proud of you two young sons very well done to both of you ,,,,keiran,,eleven years old ,,wee gaz eleven years old ,,,,these are the fanciers for the future [and now ;D]

if you look at post 143 on the hawks" sticky" postings on racing pigeon page , this was to do with that programme [may get the date,, then get the name of the programme, through that,, there was a fair bit of info on these eagle owls on that thread,,,

this is correct,

very well done keiran ;D ;D ;D ;D great flying bet the "old,old"man ;D ;D ;D [sorry did i repeat myself ;D ;D ;D] is shell-shocked ;D the yolk is certainly on him ;D ;D ;D,,,good luck to all three of you

allthough these two posts are off topic,, it may be gentlemanly or off course womanly [depending on he or she], for "me" to answer rednyellow?? before being deleted as" off topic "