You maybe right Lewis, maybe Bosworth would be close though? Ellis was a master of the distance game without a doubt. I remember going to the late Ian McGhies loft in Newmains and spotted a wee ugly red ch hen sitting amongst all these beautiful pigeons that Ian had at the time.We were exchanging ybs and he asked me what I wanted mine off.I told him I thought the red ch was the ugliest f...er id ever seen and I know it wasn't in the loft for no reason so id like one from it.He said it was his no1 stock hen, bred by Jock Ellis and she had bred all his best 400-600 mile winners.Food for thought when you are looking through his birds up for sale, looks aren't everything lol.