
hepste
Members-
Posts
200 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Events
Everything posted by hepste
-
I think you've summed it up pretty well from what I gather. I think that the rings are all registered to him, and importantly, he assumes ownership of the birds themselves as his personal property. I assume the original owners have agreed to relinquish ownership, perhaps under an agreement that they will then resume ownership at some future date? Maybe Jeremy Davies can confirm, if he hasn't got too bored answering all the queries coming his way lately. I'm sure he has a life to lead away from his responsibilities toward one loft pigeons. It must be a busy time of the year for him regardless of all these other issues.
-
The debate is on the open forum, and available to be read by all members. Everyone on here deserves the right to read/hear any responses. A simple yes or no will do, and will hopefully satisfy any doubters.
-
Just to clear the air before speculation runs riot, it would be useful if Jeremy will confirm that he is not Numpty 666, as the poor chap is one of the main protaganists of this debate. I note he is monitoring things regularly so should be able to reply quite soon.
-
Can I suggest that any explanation given, or the failure to give an explanation, is reported, on the fopen forum, and the user named, so that we can all make a proper balanced view. This is important within the context of this thread for the sake of transparency and fair play to all those that do not abuse the system.
-
With an attitude like yours buddy, I don't think he'd want to come anywhere near your club!
-
With an attitude like yours buddy, I don't think he'd want to come anywhere near your club!
-
In respect of the one loft race birds competing within a club for club honours, it is up to the members of that club. As long as every member has an opportunity to have their say, and they vote to include the birds, that is their business. I may be wrong, but I think that they (one loft birds) then automatically fly for Fed honours., and the Fed has no opportunity to preclude any part of any birdage from any club. I have a problem with that, because it may be that all other clubs flying within the Fed don't wish to have one loft birds in, but have it forced on them through the back door. By the way, just because nobody has complained before, ie during the last two years doesn't make a situation acceptable. I for one haven't even been aware of these facts, before Vanlink raised the subject. I suspect many other rank and file members are the same As far as the Nationals are concerned, the problem is that (as far as I'm aware) ordinary members have not had a chance to vote on the matter, because such decisions are made by the Committee.
-
You're getting personal again!
-
Is there the teeny weeny, slightest possibility that we could get back to the original topic of this thread, because it appears to be heading for the place that so many threads end up - No man's land!
-
Shouting again :-/
-
Ah, could it possibly be the case that you failed to carefully consider the content of the question before giving your response.
-
Puresoontjen, please refrain from swearing it aint difficult. The only persons causing sh**t [for non swearing alternative try "controvesy"], are those members who personalise a debate.
-
I hope you make sure he takes his turn sweeping up etc. ;D
-
Vanlink has certainly not been asked to stop anything, by any of the moderators. Indeed he started off this thread by asking that we keep the coments civilised and constructive, which regretfully you seem unable to do. You have shown an inability to remain objective and reasoned in your arguments, and submitted few, if any, comments that are helpful to this debate. Spiteful and nasty comments have no place on a chat room forum. I am encouraged, however, that you have at last seen sense and voted NO NO NO etc. to one loft races being allowed to compete!
-
I accept that week in, week out, small fliers pitch themselves against larger fliers, (and we all accept that) but the one loft race set up artificially introduces an opportunity for a "bigger than ever before" volume of pigeons racing to one location, and competing against back garden fanciers, spread over a wide area. Allowing these birds to compete against the single fancier/partnership tips the balance too far in favour of the birds racing to the one loft location, and offers a disppraportionate advantage. For me it is a big NO! Nice to see some constructive comments. It would be nice if we could keep it that way, in order that we can bottom out people's concerns. The combative attitude some people on here are inclined to take up, tends to end up in dog fights that are destructive, and not constructive.
-
Van Link has merely opened up a debate, in order that everyone can make a contribution. Nothing I have read so far proves the case one way or another. What I will say is that Van Link is not the first person to submit that drag has an effect on a result; respected fanciers and others have been saying it from the time pigeon racing began. Indeed most fanciers I meet just accept it as a fact of life. I think that what we are all agreed on is that there are pigeons around that can overcome such a disadvantage, but a poor "drag assisted pigeon" will beat a poor "non drag assisted" pigeon. . By definition therefore drag does offer an advantage. Jeremy Davies should not take this personally, as I feel he may. However, he must accept that things need to be aired by the people that pay his salary.
-
One loft race birds entered into any race, undoubtedly upsets the balance that otherwise would not be there had they not been entered. In the case quoted, it does offer an advantage of drag to Jeremy Davies (and to some extent other fliers in his area) that would not be there, were he not to have the one loft race birds at his address. The question is, should he be allowed an advantage that is not available to others? I think that there are important precedents that need to be resolved here, regarding one loft races. As Numpty says, there is apparantly nothing to preclude a contingency of some 1,000 one loft race birds being entered into any National/Classic race, and, I would argue offers a considerable advantage to those pigeons within say a total convoy of perhaps 3,000 pigeons. One third of the pigeons would be going to one single location! I know that I would love to have my loft at that spot on the map! My own view is that one loft pigeons should remain an autonomous group, and not be allowed to have an influence on the drag of the main convoy. There are a multitude of other points that concern this particular arrangement. An excellent topic to consider. One of the best on here for a while, and thanks to Vanlink for raising it!
-
Asha. I think your suggestion is both feasible, and moreso likely. I have convoyed myself, and I am aware of intstances when birds have been left on the transporter. I myself would check, and double check that baskets were clear before closing up, but that was after being caught out a couple of times, by not checking properly. Having seen some of the people that do convoy, who just want to get away home asap, you can see why these things do happen. As for the rules ref. cleaning preventing this happening - get real, the rules just do not get observed - fact! One qualification - there are some convoyers who are concientious in every way, and I wouldn't want to take away from them the super job they do.
-
can you answer this question
hepste replied to kraftykev's topic in Help - What's wrong with my bird?
If it is a hen that has been feeding big youngsters, and is not far short of laying again, it could be a calcium deficiency, especially if it hasn't had regular access to fresh grit. -
Skymaster, you are failing to maintain an intelligent, and objective approach to the argument. Any predator will take the most vulnerable prey, proportionate to the advantage it gains by taking the risk when making an attack. Even the best racing pigeons are at risk when they are tired, eg at the final stages of a long race, and when they have limited energy left for evasion purposes.
-
I actually don't think that Nigel is that bad looking! Gutted for you Stuart, but if he does come, it will be personal pride if he is well up, even though he won't feature in the result. My opinion is that it is up to the person bringing the birds for marking that should check that the bird has gone through ok. He has two chances -Firstly when the bird is being marked (audible signal from ETS marker), and afterwards when collecting printed off sheet. Of course the marker is not blameless 'cos the audible signal and digital display will have shown that the bird had not been marked. Don't let it spoil your race Stu.
-
Regret you are wrong. Off the top of my head, rule 109 or 110, or someplace, it says that the non owner, and or non fancier can be given the details of the owner. By agreeing to be members of the RPRA, we sign up to this rule, and in so doing give authority for the DPA to be overidden in the appropriate circumstances.
-
Sorry mikkey I disagree with you. They did all they could reasonably be expected to do, bearing in mind the bird belongs to a third party. They are merely a conduit through which information is passed on. If they took on more responsibilities, they would posssibly have to increase no.of staff, with consequential increase in costs etc.
-
Roland, I don't know how you earn a living, but you'd make a brilliant after dinner speaker!