i try not to buy pigeons full stop , the best birds in my loft were all gift birds from eg. top local fanciers , friends and even fanciers that breed you a dozen or so birds just for reporting there strays. my father even had 8 pairs of busschaert stock birds given to him from a fancier to whom he had reported a dead stray ,so it goes to prove you dont have to fork out money for birds when there are still GENUINE FANCIERS out there