yes but merlin we are no longer in nature darkness ststem widdow hood i would agree that the misuse of drugs caused a lot of this but are our birds really natural any more we have winter breeding too the stress of racing now im not saying u put baytill into the water incase they have something or any other drug for that matter but there are times when drugs like this have to be used like id imagine there was no area in ireland england scotland wales that did not get by young bird sickness this year even its rampant and with para a lot of the time the pigeon that is the carrier could be in your loft for years and u will never no its even there