just ask me

u cant most of the best birds i own no one would have picked them out as young ones pll do like to balance in a pigeon and all the rest tat goes with it but the two most important places where no one can see is in there head and there hart give me a bad looking one with the two of these anyday really the only test is the basket they always look a stunner when u put a few firsts in front of them but for me give me brains and hart over all the eye theories wing theroies balance and the rest

know what ye are saying just found it strange the way he picked out 2 class birds

have seen lots of crap with top eye signs i think its harder to judge eyes today as back 20 years ago as pigeons can be bred together for no other point only to make the eye look better Ive done it myself to prove a point ive bred 2 birds with medium to good eyes but remember these pigeons were not much good but i knew when paired together they would throw a bird with a real good eye actually i bed 4 young ones off them that year 2 of them had superb eyes but out of the 4 not one of them was any thing of note i done this to prove a point to a friend and i reckon a lot of studs and big sales men are up to the same trick is there something in eye sign well i had a pair no bulls**t that threw winners after winners national winners for me and for others the cock was class but the hen was the gem she would throw winners no matter which cock i paired her too 1 in a lifetime u could say well any way these two birds were bought to a show as one of the top eye sign men in Europe was there and sure as god the cock was put in a different basket to the hen but he picked out the cock and the hen and reckoned they should be paired together as they could do nothing only throw winners and also he probably went through over 300 pigeons that day but picked out them two so is there something in eye sign well this one made me think

dont know of anyone that really done a whole lot with them like to see birds winning in the last few year too not 10 20 years ago

is the reserve a secret

looking for a present for someone for christmas thers 2 books written by a vet as far as i know i think 1 is called fit to win not sure of the other anyone any help where can i but these is irt wim peters just a guess any one any info please

antifrezze mixed on some grain just make sure any birds cant get it nottin lives when they eat this

what do pll mean by jannsen based do u mean the grand parents or great grandparents are jannsens or are u talking about going back 6 or 7 or 8 generations

nice pics there but ain't it amazing to think what we as pigeon men have done to pigeons over the years i don't know how long pigeons have been kept in captivity we created tumblers and these show types pigeons to fly great distances and pigeons to fly at great speeds dont really have any point to the post was just thinking but are we all geniuses

well said and id say 99% of all top class fanicers use something along this lines

id say 99% are using a system very close and they do medicate during the racing season

afraid to say lads but all top flyer's are using a system like this or very close too it

fair play jimmy a lot of pll would have said noting there is a product that is very effective pm if u want to know more

what are the differences between the systems like what will one do that the one wont

last post was a replyto albear post not ib sorry

u ever think albear that someone else might be using the proper stuff and got these birds and if u want seen proof i seen a bird man putting this product on dead chicks and giving them to falcons ans when i said don't give that to the falcons he asked why i said pigeon men are using that on there birds for certain reasons and he fell around the yard laughing and said my falcons must be special and any mans birds ive done as ive been doing this for years what more proof do u need belive it or not we all can be wrong and all scientific evidence and from what Ive seen with my own eyes tells us all that this does no harm to falcons

would it be true then Larry that it would be possible that we are actually doing the the falcons a favour but using this product if the pigeon was caught within a few days of treatment being given

ive said before i seen ivermectin being put onto dead chicks and given to the falcon with no ill effects how much are u talking about putting onto the pigeon

when u look at the price at mags for other hobbies the mags are way under the average

now this will probally work never tried it but sounds the part

i don't know what to say anymore for the last time ive seen falconers give this to there birds on dead chicks this is how they worm there falcons i don't know how this rumor started but its crap ill say again Ive seen it with my own eyes it has no ill effects on falcons there are posts up showing u scientific proof and I'm here saying Ive seen it used on falcons with no ill effects what more do u need to hear there are other methods ill say again this does not work some one put some solid evidence up here other wise even one little bit

yes but i belive at most top lofts there are a loft of youngers for your 5 young birds for 500 or what ever but there youngers for who they want them to go to belive me i know as i made a egit out of mysels as i paid a lot more for a youngster week after i seen something along the lines of 5 for 400 something like that i rang him up asked what was going and he just said well u can have the special offer no problem at all but there pigeons and there pigeons that hen bred winners after winners and this happens a lot

this product does not work on Percy ive seen falconers use it on there falcons they use dead chicks full stop all we are doing by using it is worming the falcons as more falcons die of worms its unreal they have very little immune system when it comes o worms any falconer will tell u that while a pigeon will live with worms it really puts a falcon on the back step and id like to see any proof any where where it does work i bet it will be hard to find as i said ive seen falconers giving it too falcons there are other methods and i repeat this does not work

i had 9 widowhood cocks killed two weeks before the racing season in the space of two weeks 2 year ago felt the same way but i went on to have a good year last year was my best year just keep your hopes high and too tell u truth it made be try a lot harder