not all the birds were sold 2010 youngsters were kept and also none were sold from his partners loft just before the sale he bought off brockamp too he also has had lots of sales since the big pipa one so must have had plenty of birds held back also all the birds bought by john hanson the Australian stud who bought a good few of the main birds these birds never left jos thones lofts as it can be seen on pipa when john had his sale after he bought jos birds that they still remained in jos loft so he had a good base there i have not really looked at the barca results yet i will do as was more interested in looking at pascal and aggy results as they were outstanding i would think beating jos around 7 or 8 times out of 10 over the last few year and not only him but others too maybe he moved up to the longer distances as the his eye infection must of being getting worse watching the pascals birds flying in front of his every week