Lennut Tar

Permethrin, is a natural insecticide made from flowers etc, which should solve your problem. either spray or dip your birds in the solution, mixed with warm water & soap flakes. Also Neem powder/spray, if you can purchase it. will do the same job. but first try Permethrin. Enjoy.

Dangerous territory ????????. Your stepping into with your comments above ;D ;D ;D I hope you are brave man :D Enjoy.

"Spin Cycle" Welcome aboard !!!!! also from me. Your in for a crazy ;D ;D ;D ride I imagine, & if your game enough :D to join in on the banter here, along the way. You might just learn something. about life & pigeons. PS. Never worry if you make a fool of your self here with your posts etc. smart men /women we arn't. Well !!!!!!! at least from what I have seen ;) & read. Enjoy.

Easy fixed ??????? ;D ;D ;D I will just load up the odd ship or two, from those being held here at the governments pleasure, (plenty to pick from) :D & return a favour ;) even it if has taken over 200 odd years. I'm sure if you let them run rampant in the local stock etc :P . the pedigree's will be boosted sky high. Enjoy.

My Godfather !!!!!, I'm what is life coming to now, (I'm concerned & worried) ;D ;D ;D I was under the impression here, that this site had some class about it. (I think I'm wrong) Never have I seen such a motley crew of misfits ;D ;D in all my life :D It must be the weather ????????? I will send you over some Sunshine "Could Help" I doubt it thou. :D Just Fabulous !!!!! ;D ;D ;D, to be able to see some of the crew/members that make this great site what it is. Even if at times, we may cross swords :) with somewhat different views/experience etc. As one could say. Enjoy.

;D ;D ;D I hope you made her (girlfriend) buy you another one while you were there :D . She was most probably looking at all those good looking ??????? ;) pigeon flyers around the place :D . Scumbag is right !!!!!!, I still remember the day someone stole one of my basket's at the local centre, so they (scumbag) are not only at blackpool. Enjoy.

To a degree ??????? ;D ;D ;D some of the ones I've seen early in the season, going in the units/baskets etc. would only get home by walking :D they were that big. "Chook category" But each to their own fancy, as they say. Enjoy

You may be right ??????? ;D ;D ;D I just read it a few minutes ago here. Can't be every where in cyba space at the same time :D . Enjoy.

Could look under "Race team for sale" here now at this moment, T3 clock for sale 125 pound. Possibility, it may be what you are after. Enjoy.

Yes!!!!!!!!! to your question. To the purist's here ??????? No one would recommend keeping ckooks/chickens & pigeons together for health reasons etc. Don't do it ;D ;D ;D. "BUT" A few years ago now, I will always remember it with great joy & pleasure ;D ;D ;D we were all at the club (some of us anyway) in a hard 350 mile race, head wind & rain situation, & all had virtually conceded defeat & congratulated Billy, a mate of mine (Ex pom) smart man !!!! :D on his win & top Fed position :D , & in walks this young (around 10 or 11 & lived out in the bush) lad after we had pulled the clocks etc, & placed his time on the board. No one had even given him a second thought "Being smart pigeon men as we were". Well !!!!!!! he murdered us on the day, & nearly everyone else bar 1 or 2 in the federation. Anyway!!!!! Now I had to go & verify his pigeon being the winner on the day at his loft ?????? (quite a trip from my place) he lived on a steep hill the soil was a rich red colour etc (market garden type) & the loft ????? was at the bottom of the big property. Remember that rain I mentioned above. "Did I not learn something that day". In "THE LOFT" were chooks bantims & quale etc along with all the pigeons & some feathered creatures I couldn't even tell you what they were, even to this day, all living quite happily together on a dirt floor !!!!!! which was more mud than dirt etc & Everything thing within the loft was Red in colour, because the rain just rushed straight down the hill & threw the loft & didn't matter if it was blue black grizzle you name it :D everything was red, including the winner ;D ;D ;D. At the time the young lad ask me, what I thought about his loft & pigeons, I was under great pressure at that moment to come up with a intelligent reply ;) . Finally, Forget what the purists may advice you here, in their wisdom. If you wish to keep a few different breeds of birds in your back yard etc. Go right ahead & enjoy them for what they are. Just don't keep them together. Enjoy.

Well I imagine ??????? I'm going to make quite a few friends here now. ;D ;D ;D. I'm one that will stick up for Sammy here "Big Time", I notice he is a distance fanatic. "Well so am I" ;D ;D ;D you can have all those crappy sprint races etc, in my view. Now I'm not quite sure what catagory ;) the women here that are challenging his views one could say, fit into, Please advise me !!!!!!!. I would love to know. especially after the way, certain birds appear to be handled & treated, within this discussion. Long before the internet & pigeon vet's come on the scene etc (A quite recent event really in pigeon terms, in most cases) People like Sammy & I, learnt to use what was available at the time, through experimentation, To achieve what we have in the sport. Just a few observations for those that challenge people like Sammy & Myself. Yes Iv'e been to a vet, & no, not the local guru 10 minutes down the road who many say is a world renowned expert. :D . It was nearly 10 years ago now when I had my last visit to a vet for advise & wisdom :P & it cost me $138, I still remember it to this day & most of the crap I bought, stayed in the fridge till my wife (She who must be obeyed) threw it all out, after 2 years. I was just saving it for a rainy day, as we say here. Now!!!!!!! You may disbelieve people like Sammy & myself, when in our wisdom we have chosen a different path in this sport, in our endeavours to be successful. "That is your choice". But ask your self this, how much have you spent on vet's etc or medications in the last 10 years as a example. I may not be the brightest person here :P But I bet (No not my house) They are richer than you are. I'm not going to go into a long list of items etc, that I have used over the many years in this sport, to treat the above mentioned diseases. But what I will say is!!!!!!!!. If you cannot find numerous items at your local asian/chinese store etc or your local supermarket, your not trying in my view & you just want to take the easy way out, & trot off to the local vet or supply house to increase there profits. Finally!!!!!! I don't have to travel to far, to see my name up on all the honour boards in gold etc at different clubs in the distance races & averages. Can you say that here. If not. Please try to understand ??????? if you can. Many roads lead to Rome. Enjoy.

First off !!!!!!!!!!!. My congratulations to all the finalists, you were a brave bunch of woman/ladies etc, to be paraded here for all of us to admire ???????? ;D ;D ;D, & choose a winner. I wouldn't do it in a million years, one could say ;) . I'm a born coward :D But "Well Done". Many of us here I'm sure, have enjoyed this little escapism from the more serious side of our sport. Now "Dovescot". What attributes do you consider the winner had in her favour ;) . Just so the rest of the girls now know etc, whats required to get into training for next year's contest ??????? in 2009. PS, Will 883 Girl be eligilbe in the future. ;D ;D ;D I sure hope so !!!!!!!. Enjoy.

If you have the 2nd round about due to hatch etc, get the babies away from the parents ASAP (right away) place them in another area. What you are doing in my view is going about it in the wrong way. (We all make mistakes !!!!!!!, we are only pigeon flyers etc) I imagine the way I read your post, you are in the novice catagory (No offence if I 'm wrong) but you have picked a great site to gain information from I believe. Baby pigeons in a normal situation should be away from there parents at least a week in my view before the next round hatches, & they do not need to be any older than 20 - 24 days if bred in a healthy enviroment. Look under there wings, if its fully feathered !!!!!!!, which they should be, move them away to another place. Being a novice ??????, what you are doing in your present situation as it is, is taking all the nourishment & energy that the parents build up in there system in the week prior to hatching, away from the 2nd round & that is not a good thing. PS, I hope this helps in some small way ;D ;D ;D Enjoy.

I've found on occassions at times !!!!!!!, that a youngster may leave large traces of blood in the egg shell (Not good in my view) also I do not like to see, in the navel area of a newly hatch baby etc, before it contracts to the normal position. (it should happen quite quickly) part of it left in the egg. (Not good, maybe wrong ;D ;D) For me, I prefer a egg shell to be as clean on the inside as it should be on the outside, within reason. Enjoy

Before I even look at the youngster's etc, I always first look at the egg shell, that it hatched from. Enjoy.

In most cases No. One may purge your birds with ful cream milk or half milk & half water at times, depending on which strenght one chooses. It helps clear any toxins crap or rubbish etc out of there system, especially after a race. There is far worst things one could do to the birds etc, than give them milk at times. Even if they appear down in condition for a short while. Enjoy.

quote=825]no secret mate,i get everything from work :D Reminds me of when I was in the building trade etc. It was quite extraordinary for some strange reason, ;D ;D ;D what just happened to find it's way on my truck at the end of the day :X :X :X. All for a good cause, one could say. PS, I have very, very nice lofts ;) Enjoy.

Well done, on all your work & effort, (looks pretty good to me) except for the mud etc. Now !!!!!! ;D ;D ;D, "Never spent a penny" Prey tell, what's your secret ;) I would love to know. Enjoy.

Another one here ????????, ;D ;D ;D who is prepared to spend up "Big Time". The poor girl would be shaking in her boot's etc, if unfortunately she found herself in the position, of finding a few of us here as her escort one could say, For a wild night on the town. Fortunately for her, ;) it ain't gonna happen. Enjoy.

A big welcome also from me ;D ;D ;D There is only two things required on this site in my view. 1 A sense of humour. 2 A sense of humour. If you have one of either ???????, :D you should enjoy yourself, "Bigtime". Enjoy.

Very Sad, to hear, like many in the sport I only knew him through his writing's via the internet etc. Which to me, were very thought provoking in there content & were an excellent contribution to our sport in general, by him. Someone in my view !!!!!!. Who was prepared to look outside the square (box) in his endeavour, to make us think in a different way about our sport. But may he rest in peace.

90 cents here (around 40 - 41 p with the conversion etc, by my mathematics) & we buy them by the 100s upon 100s :D . my limit is 130, small fry !!!!!!!!. Funny story !!!!!!!!! at least to me, ;D ;D ;D member was talking to ring secretary at a local club a short while ago, & mentioned he had the club issue of rings for the year. Sitting there in a shoe box which was full to the brim !!!! that you buy shoes in. "No he said", :P this is just ****** ****** issue. But he may require more. Before the season's over. :D Pigeon flyers, what a hopeless lot ;D ;D ;D. Enjoy.

He will need, ;D ;D ;D a hell of a lot more than you & your fantails etc, ;) to get him 1st past the post I'm afraid. It appears ?????? to me, he is lacking a bit of class !!!!!!!! somehow somewhere. PS. Maybe we need an eye glass etc ?????, to see if he has any eye sign, I'm :-/ because it may be part of the problem. Time will tell !!!!!.

Unfortunately !!!!! ;D ;D ;D I may be wrong, but I believe she aready has a good mate already. Lucky (B*****d ???) Cock. ;) :D . so we all miss out, one could say, I'm afraid. Dream on, :) is all we can do, all you old blokes here : like myself. PS. Memories / Memories :P OH !!!!!!!!! to be young again. Enjoy.