The old site was having many problems before Richard moved aside - much the same but not on the same level as it was in the end - Can assure though the problems in the end were software related and not really anything that could be controlled. The PM issue Pigeon basics has is simply not limited to our site there are several forums with that supported software experiencing it still and they will continue to do so. People maybe dont like the change we have made, for that im sorry but there was very few alternatives to us unless we simply started the site from brand new as we had to find software we could convert to and this one we are on now (although not to everyone's liking) is about the best we could find. The members demanded the problems be fixed, its been done via the only possible way - No doubt there is going to be teething problems with this new site but things are moving in the right direction.