Alex i had 17 yb's slept out on monday night the next day at night fall still 8 short now down to 5 but i have had 1 back with a broken leg and missing some of her tail another on wednesday no feathers on her belly at all and limping badly and another in today still 5 missing and the 1 i got today was terrified and has been hanging about the loft fae yesterday It's getting harder all the time Alan