I thought so.....couldnt quite remember! I hope they did ok for you mate. They were of good stock those ......... I havent had pigeons for a few years now. I had a massive kill in the loft. Not sure if it was a mink or young fox....regardless, the outcome was the same - about 40 dead birds. I was so demoralised I packed up, having had a similar incident back in 2006-2007. Subsequently, the lofts have been empty but I've got the bug again, and am starting back up with the birds imenently. Not in a rush though...just making some mods to the loft presently - going to start back with the whites, as I always loved them - but may have a crack at racing in the near future - very good to talk to you again.