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Nice one Stuart, hope she is ok.

Surely you agree the committee need to inform the members if they have had a reason to conduct a meeting regarding race security and the outcome of the meeting. If this had been done we wouldn't need an EGM.

For me I would like to know why most of the members at large don't even know this happened?(have I missed something) From the dialogue posted it looks like their was a committee meeting(s) about this, so why don't we know the details and the outcomes? Also I'm scratching my head that nobody (even the two guys in question) mentioned it at the AGM when both were elected? It is also a strange thing that both these guys were the only ones put forward for election when this has been going on behind the scenes? So if the only way to get a full accurate account is to have an EGM then so be it, I don't want to see the SNFC dragged into a bad press situation, but this needs clarity.

Tooshy, the same as the west except the solway actually get birds on time we don't (young bird national) I take it the east boys tell you your birds are rubbish also?

The Solway don't get them the way they used to, and they are usually behind the south east!

I was referring to the young bird national, and yes sometimes a gallant bird makes it into the west, but all the time they time into the east.

Yes I believe in the 98% rule, but we are talking about 1or2% of the convoy at a race from 500+ miles, one of the biggest problems we in the west face which the East doesn't seem to have as bad is returns, returns can be terrible in the west in club racing and especially with young birds, which is the birds that could go on to be the 500 mile candidates, it is so much harder to build a team in the west. Look at the young bird national, Billy Bisland timed more in an hour than the whole of the west got home, he has a good team of yearlings to work with, we get loused at 150 miles every year to the point most don't send which means we winter untested birds and the downward spiral continues. Davy, you mentioned that you where in 20 hours before the west had a bird in a 600 mile race, yes a great performance and yes on that day the west wasn't at the races. I like to use the young bird national as an example as it magnifies the line of flight the birds take and 100% of the convoy homes into the East and up into the north with the west hours behind, why is this? An example was a few years ago at the young bird national from Leicester, a fancier named Barcley McCrindle & son where 1st,2nd and 3rd west region, they didn't even make the open result. Where the east birds far too superior to his or was it the location? P.S. the Mc Crindles blitzed the Fed that young bird season, on one race they piled them and it was 20 minutes before the next fed bird and another 20 minutes before any other fancier had a bird, so these where quality birds. So even at 250 mile the birds rattle in and up the east coast, but the west has to wait hours before they start to arrive, not even one wee gallant bird ever makes it into the west at what would be the correct time. I don't know where all the west birds go, but they arrive in large numbers up the east and into fife and across into broxburn area. I know the east has the weight of birds, but you would think at least one wee west doo would be up with them, but never has it happened.

Yip 100% agree. Talking about the 74, John Callan of Lesmahegow said he trains on a line out to Dunbar as his birds come out the east. His birds should come up the 74 also.

Edinburgh is due north of the Solway.

I agree that a good doo on the day at 500+ miles it won't matter, but I still think the majority in the lead batch comes up the east side, if we liberate in the center of France and fly due north, they will hit the Solway, then Edinburgh due to the layout of the UK.

Davy, You clearly think their we are all equal and no advantage or disadvantage for East or West so why do you think that the East have better results and returns than the West?

You should be able to get rings from the RPRA if you join them as an individual member, but you will need to join them anyway to join a club, and it's not that expensive if you compare it to something like golf fees it's cheap.

Still thinking about it?

No 2 for me.

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Totally agree the East is full of super doos and the whole of the West is full of crap doos, :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

We raced the West route for years and the birds still homed from the East / North East We sometimes see Ayrshire birds heading west from the East on a Satuarday. so they have flown well North of home and now dog legging back into Ayrshire.

Renfrewshire and Aryshire raced down the West for years and 99% of the time ours birds homed from the East. Even if they do come up the 74, they would still home East to me.

As Stuart said earlier, 99% of all the birds we have ever raced have homed from the East or North East, but what route they take to get their is a mystery and we can all have our theories on that, our fed races from Dunbar North East of us then South down the East Side. What I will say about the line they follow is if you take the SNFC Young Bird National as an example every year no matter the wind you could plot on a map all the early arrivals and it won't change, South East up to Dunbar into Tranent, Broxburn (Fife and then the North) then the West New Mains, Airdire,Hamilton, then Glasgow, Renfrewshire Ayrshire.( the Solway would get them after the south East most of the time) From this I would say the Bulk of the birds home up the East and turn into the West from the Edinburgh Area. But Yes a good early one will have probable flown a more direct route, even though all my National timers have homed from the East / North East.

Happy New Year to everyone and wish you success in 2015,

Well done Del a great year by any standard

What was the recommended cure?

Nice healthy looking team of latebreds, good luck for the future with them.

1 & 4.

No 7 for me.