got back about 7pm last night .had been away all day, help move the daughter to her new flat,checked the birds all well,had my shower,went out the back garden, noticed a bird sitting on the landing board,i lost it 2 year from otterburn,not a feather out of place.clean and in good shape,i wonder who,s loft she,s been in.sad people. :emoticon-0179-headbang: