had a nice old guy in my hotel who had two of bobs birds he had loaned hin and he was returning them to bob at show , they were absolute crackers , by the time we got to bobs stand there were 6 birds left, ian axe pigeons were in excellent condition , most of the birdsbwere disapointing, i actually bought a wee tumbler for my g/son who lost one of his , had a great weekend though.