should read a Jim Donaldsons pedigrees it would give you an idea , states if you want to win a national buy birds that have won a national or around them its ok saying you have winners its the ones that are passing there genes to next generations we need My mate had a young bird via Ken Anbys Pau winner crossed with two different pairings bred two cocks both won 3rd fed 420 miles Lerwick in turn i have had birds via the two 3rd fed winners, 1 yearling cock 3 x 3rds up to 524 miles , but if you read a Jim Donaldson pedigree it reads more like a who's who of Scottish national racing