Losses And Ailments

[Roland]

You know a simple fact is that any Bird/ animal - insect taken from it's environment mostly dies, or best suffers, struggles and becomes, lets say inferior.

The examples are rife, nigh all. Some will spout 'Eh Wolves survive any where etc. in nigh any environment etc. - Not true, but would have a high success rate ... but be inferior to ...

Take the town fox. Has food galore and variety etc. Not anything like a countryside fox. In looks or, ability, stamina etc. etc. Avery poor cousin.

So any species will either die, or become inferior. - Yes a few exceptions, but then if one delves into why, it becomes apparent it doesn't / isn't so.

Change of environment whether man made or man caused. Asian Lions or Elephants can't swap with success.

 

Another big downer, and proven fact - time after time - is incest breeding. Typical example is the American cougar.

 

Reintroduce into certain states for pacific reasons....

Found in a short period of time that they had become inferior. Both in size and began to have deformities.

Puzzles their droppings showed incest breeding. Their tails became shorter and twisted.

Then it became apparent why...Incest! Because a big motor way prevented them crossing over into another territory.

So they built tunnels under the motor ways and brought in new blood. All creatures have a way to prevent incest breeding. All is fine now.

Dog shows now allow, for example dogs not up to par... Like the Alsatians having lost it straight back and it's *expletive removed* is dropping away.

Royalty etc. in history and village idiot syndrome prove that to close breeding causes brain damage, loss in as much as it functions damaged.

Birds now are become disorganize due to the city lights where they now have constant light 24 hours nigh.

A little change can and maybe acceptable in some cases.

Have yet to see any fish bred in aquariums be a patch of wild caught fish. even in massive tanks. Colour becomes dimmer and shape etc.

 

When the 'Paradise fish was first discovered it was because of the moving mud that caught the eye. When fetched out and the mud took away they saw a most beautiful coloured fish! Placed to breed in clean water - environment - they lost shape and their beautiful colouring ... it paled.

I paid many times over 'Tank Bred Malawi and Tange fish ... for wild caught fish.( Mind it was rare I could afford it... But like top fanciers, I swapped and done deals with other like minded fish keepers) These fish were and are far superior by far.

Likewise in all nature.

Now we take out pigeons and change their breeding circle. then adopt the 'Darkness' System. Some go out and pay, pay say £2000 for a couple of pairs of pigeon. Breed excessively. Most by far breed piddle dip. YET still the breed on. Brother to mothers sister etc. Losing constitution. Any built in immunity. Spout that because they paid such a price, excuse after excuse is invented. Hawks, weather, clashing etc. The race controller. Adverse weather etc. They believe, mistakenly sadly, that top fanciers are doing the same.

Never ever do they look at the cause in the mirror!

Great pigeons often breed culls. Fact! Two strays can breed great racers and have done.

Jansenn father ALWAYS brought in to never have close related birds.

We stuff them with 'Crap' willy - nilly because some so called fancier is paid a lot of money to say he gives it regularly!

20,000 fanciers are sending times more than the 140,000 ever did each week.

A small team then flew the programme ever year. Birds on acorns or whatever they could afford won out of turn. Beat the massive teams of Frankie George, Masserella etc. often

Bad weather or hard races meant birds homed 2 -5 days after. Often sent then week - end to shine and do well.

Still excuses after excuses as why! YET we continue to fill up the town centres etc.

Many believe in 'KISS, and quote it. Keep it sweet and simple. Genuine fancier mean and do it! Most say it and forget it.

No wonder the environment we demand for the pigeons don't suit!

[Guest johnhunter]

You know a simple fact is that any Bird/ animal - insect taken from it's environment mostly dies, or best suffers, struggles and becomes, lets say inferior.

The examples are rife, nigh all. Some will spout 'Eh Wolves survive any where etc. in nigh any environment etc. - Not true, but would have a high success rate ... but be inferior to ...

Take the town fox. Has food galore and variety etc. Not anything like a countryside fox. In looks or, ability, stamina etc. etc. Avery poor cousin.

So any species will either die, or become inferior. - Yes a few exceptions, but then if one delves into why, it becomes apparent it doesn't / isn't so.

Change of environment whether man made or man caused. Asian Lions or Elephants can't swap with success.

 

Another big downer, and proven fact - time after time - is incest breeding. Typical example is the American cougar.

 

Reintroduce into certain states for pacific reasons....

Found in a short period of time that they had become inferior. Both in size and began to have deformities.

Puzzles their droppings showed incest breeding. Their tails became shorter and twisted.

Then it became apparent why...Incest! Because a big motor way prevented them crossing over into another territory.

So they built tunnels under the motor ways and brought in new blood. All creatures have a way to prevent incest breeding. All is fine now.

Dog shows now allow, for example dogs not up to par... Like the Alsatians having lost it straight back and it's *expletive removed* is dropping away.

Royalty etc. in history and village idiot syndrome prove that to close breeding causes brain damage, loss in as much as it functions damaged.

Birds now are become disorganize due to the city lights where they now have constant light 24 hours nigh.

A little change can and maybe acceptable in some cases.

Have yet to see any fish bred in aquariums be a patch of wild caught fish. even in massive tanks. Colour becomes dimmer and shape etc.

 

When the 'Paradise fish was first discovered it was because of the moving mud that caught the eye. When fetched out and the mud took away they saw a most beautiful coloured fish! Placed to breed in clean water - environment - they lost shape and their beautiful colouring ... it paled.

I paid many times over 'Tank Bred Malawi and Tange fish ... for wild caught fish.( Mind it was rare I could afford it... But like top fanciers, I swapped and done deals with other like minded fish keepers) These fish were and are far superior by far.

Likewise in all nature.

Now we take out pigeons and change their breeding circle. then adopt the 'Darkness' System. Some go out and pay, pay say £2000 for a couple of pairs of pigeon. Breed excessively. Most by far breed piddle dip. YET still the breed on. Brother to mothers sister etc. Losing constitution. Any built in immunity. Spout that because they paid such a price, excuse after excuse is invented. Hawks, weather, clashing etc. The race controller. Adverse weather etc. They believe, mistakenly sadly, that top fanciers are doing the same.

Never ever do they look at the cause in the mirror!

Great pigeons often breed culls. Fact! Two strays can breed great racers and have done.

Jansenn father ALWAYS brought in to never have close related birds.

We stuff them with 'Crap' willy - nilly because some so called fancier is paid a lot of money to say he gives it regularly!

20,000 fanciers are sending times more than the 140,000 ever did each week.

A small team then flew the programme ever year. Birds on acorns or whatever they could afford won out of turn. Beat the massive teams of Frankie George, Masserella etc. often

Bad weather or hard races meant birds homed 2 -5 days after. Often sent then week - end to shine and do well.

Still excuses after excuses as why! YET we continue to fill up the town centres etc.

Many believe in 'KISS, and quote it. Keep it sweet and simple. Genuine fancier mean and do it! Most say it and forget it.

No wonder the environment we demand for the pigeons don't suit!

budgies and all sorts of cage birds are thriving so get your facts right

[tyson]

spot on roland to much inbreeding results in inferior pigeons being bred we have all done it remember a old fancier telling me always cross out to breed vigiour into your pigeons this man could always time out the nationals every year

[Roland]

budgies and all sorts of cage birds are thriving so get your facts right

 

To what standard? They couldn't / can't compare to wild birds!

 

The facts are right. Now one swallow doesn't make a Summer King Jonn.

Now if you speak to Fletcher, or had the privileged of the great George Upex.... sadly now no longer with us, they will or did tell you different. Many top breeders will today say the same.

There is a poster on here that knew them. Knows Kieth. Also Jimmy Whites' brother who is no slouch in the aviary world. They knew and know Kieth etc.

Why then were wild birds banned from going into 'Shows' then? They cause great controversy! Why ... only one answer to why and that's because. Because captive birds, even kept, bred in great aviaries couldn't compete.

Yes now that is no longer legal and all must have to be rung.

Mind some may well be rung in the wild.

Budgies? I won't comment other than to repeat what's in the post - if you are able to read and understand. But then one wouldn't expect you to realise facts... especially when they down fit.

 

No wonder things deteriate because of the likes of you lol.

[Froog]

You know a simple fact is that any Bird/ animal - insect taken from it's environment mostly dies, or best suffers, struggles and becomes, lets say inferior.

The examples are rife, nigh all. Some will spout 'Eh Wolves survive any where etc. in nigh any environment etc. - Not true, but would have a high success rate ... but be inferior to ...

Take the town fox. Has food galore and variety etc. Not anything like a countryside fox. In looks or, ability, stamina etc. etc. Avery poor cousin.

So any species will either die, or become inferior. - Yes a few exceptions, but then if one delves into why, it becomes apparent it doesn't / isn't so.

Change of environment whether man made or man caused. Asian Lions or Elephants can't swap with success.

 

Another big downer, and proven fact - time after time - is incest breeding. Typical example is the American cougar.

 

Reintroduce into certain states for pacific reasons....

Found in a short period of time that they had become inferior. Both in size and began to have deformities.

Puzzles their droppings showed incest breeding. Their tails became shorter and twisted.

Then it became apparent why...Incest! Because a big motor way prevented them crossing over into another territory.

So they built tunnels under the motor ways and brought in new blood. All creatures have a way to prevent incest breeding. All is fine now.

Dog shows now allow, for example dogs not up to par... Like the Alsatians having lost it straight back and it's *expletive removed* is dropping away.

Royalty etc. in history and village idiot syndrome prove that to close breeding causes brain damage, loss in as much as it functions damaged.

Birds now are become disorganize due to the city lights where they now have constant light 24 hours nigh.

A little change can and maybe acceptable in some cases.

Have yet to see any fish bred in aquariums be a patch of wild caught fish. even in massive tanks. Colour becomes dimmer and shape etc.

 

When the 'Paradise fish was first discovered it was because of the moving mud that caught the eye. When fetched out and the mud took away they saw a most beautiful coloured fish! Placed to breed in clean water - environment - they lost shape and their beautiful colouring ... it paled.

I paid many times over 'Tank Bred Malawi and Tange fish ... for wild caught fish.( Mind it was rare I could afford it... But like top fanciers, I swapped and done deals with other like minded fish keepers) These fish were and are far superior by far.

Likewise in all nature.

Now we take out pigeons and change their breeding circle. then adopt the 'Darkness' System. Some go out and pay, pay say £2000 for a couple of pairs of pigeon. Breed excessively. Most by far breed piddle dip. YET still the breed on. Brother to mothers sister etc. Losing constitution. Any built in immunity. Spout that because they paid such a price, excuse after excuse is invented. Hawks, weather, clashing etc. The race controller. Adverse weather etc. They believe, mistakenly sadly, that top fanciers are doing the same.

Never ever do they look at the cause in the mirror!

Great pigeons often breed culls. Fact! Two strays can breed great racers and have done.

Jansenn father ALWAYS brought in to never have close related birds.

We stuff them with 'Crap' willy - nilly because some so called fancier is paid a lot of money to say he gives it regularly!

20,000 fanciers are sending times more than the 140,000 ever did each week.

A small team then flew the programme ever year. Birds on acorns or whatever they could afford won out of turn. Beat the massive teams of Frankie George, Masserella etc. often

Bad weather or hard races meant birds homed 2 -5 days after. Often sent then week - end to shine and do well.

Still excuses after excuses as why! YET we continue to fill up the town centres etc.

Many believe in 'KISS, and quote it. Keep it sweet and simple. Genuine fancier mean and do it! Most say it and forget it.

No wonder the environment we demand for the pigeons don't suit!

Lots of true facts in this post.......not often I agree with this guy, but lots of this is spot on.