Whats The Chances ?

[Roland]

No problem with that Steve. None whatsoever.

However to boo - hoo, decry a practice, or system, etc. etc (In any walk of life) without having an experience - whatever, whether Thiers's or others without the knowledge is ignorance.

That is not to state that they are in a lack of ability to read and write. I'm sure they are.

Nor in the state of being illiterate; lack of any or enough education. etc.

But in Ignorance due to a lack of knowledge. I feel I am using the word ignorant as an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware, or as often used, to describe individuals who deliberately ignores or disregard important information or facts.

So I feel, respectfully that I have made a very valid point in this regards.

[jakie]

having read last year of member DKJ racing un- trained birds, and Peter Pandy trying it out . i thought (not dis-believing) i could only really learn from this by trying it myself . so fool hardy as it may seem i bred a few late breds . Mr Hawk took one , and the 3 remaining are away tonight .

in all fairness 3 may not be a lot , and they have been in the basket once before , for just 20 minutes whilst awaiting vaccination .

so it will be interesting to see the out-come . what do you guy,s think ??

pigeon interest before fanciers egos roland ?

[jakie]

well there 2nd training toss went well enough , even beat well trained yearlings that flew the youngbird National ? we live and learn eh

pigeon interest before fanciers egos roland ?

[jakie]

thank you , all home safe and well . hoping the weather will be easier on them at next week,s race for there 2nd training toss .

i pray to god those birds are home,but honestly,whats the chances ?

[Roland]

pigeon interest before fanciers egos roland ?

Of course and Exactly Jakie.

I have a small team. I certainly don't, let alone like, loosing any of them.

I love my pigeons. I mean really love them. I am just happy watching them piddling about, picking up, roof hoping. Whether today or Xmas day. They at my friends. I give them a great hotel to live in. Good feed and clean fresh water .. OK they still drink out of puddles etc.

Race days I never bother about winning. Truthfully have never and couldn't give a toss ... It's seeing them home that really matters to me. HONEST! THEN I have many phoning - which annoys me as I may well be waiting for others to home... Yes they use me as a yard stick... Days of inviting me to put a fiver on the 'Winner' at the distance no longer happen ... they still do BUT make sure I'm not invited lol.

I get upset when one is late, let alone lost.

BUT I'm no fool... Wife says why spend nigh £5000 building a loft if I'm not bothering to race!

Simple I LOVE my birds. However I please her and the Club's banter, same old reminiscent etc.

Have a pint and see who is bragging or tell the biggest pork pies lol.

I know, from experience, from doing it, having too when no money, that listening to some 'Ole Timers' that it was a well tried and tested practice. Many had to.

Some stated it was the Birds and not me! Well of course it was, is! Many spouted rubbish like their birds showed mine the way home! Some stated it was fair that they trained their' bird religiously and all I did was get them loft fit to beat them!

So I maybe have always been blessed with having birds as such ... Or was it, is it that I did / do it whereas they don't, wouldn't etc.?

[jakie]

having read last year of member DKJ racing un- trained birds, and Peter Pandy trying it out . i thought (not dis-believing) i could only really learn from this by trying it myself . so fool hardy as it may seem i bred a few late breds . Mr Hawk took one , and the 3 remaining are away tonight .

in all fairness 3 may not be a lot , and they have been in the basket once before , for just 20 minutes whilst awaiting vaccination .

so it will be interesting to see the out-come . what do you guy,s think ??

ok roland think we need closure here ,this post reeks of ego and shows blatant disregard for the pigeons,thats what got my back up.why not basket the pigeons overnight at home ? do this a few times then let them out in the loft to put some confidence in them before the transporter opens and all hell breaks loose,whats wrong with 1 mile tosses ? get them used to things, build their confidence.everyone has seen the stress youngsters have when first put in a basket,but thats gone by the third time.why such open disregard ? because they,re only latebreds so who cares ? is that it ? if i was running this site this post would be removed for showing the sport in an unacceptable light and i would ask mr whoever to do his toe dipping in private.why highlight the fact no basket training was given ?this post is all about the fancier and is another nail in the coffin it makes a mockery of scottish pigeon racing,forgive me if i,m taking the future of the sport too seriously,this guy isnt a fancier he,s a novice trying to look like a fancier and he should be brought to heel,the silence from the members on here is deafening.

[Roland]

Well seems to me that you are laying a unfounded slight on Egoism.

Why not let your birds fly hours around the loft daily. Go through the mating cycle. They will learned and are extremely content and happy and healthy and fit. Then on Wed/ Night or Thursday Morning leave them in a basket, preferable away from the loft. Feed and water them in the basket and take to the club from there. Then you will see great conditioned pigeons, ful of zest and vigour, wanting home, their perch or nest box.

[jakie]

nae bother mate,lights oot at 9

[Roland]

Any way Jakie, I feel you and I can have closure.

Possibly agree to disagree.

Think the saying is 'Being attached becomes the habit'.

And very few like change, or willing to accept change graciously lol

Take care mate.

[Guest johnhunter]

ok roland think we need closure here ,this post reeks of ego and shows blatant disregard for the pigeons,thats what got my back up.why not basket the pigeons overnight at home ? do this a few times then let them out in the loft to put some confidence in them before the transporter opens and all hell breaks loose,whats wrong with 1 mile tosses ? get them used to things, build their confidence.everyone has seen the stress youngsters have when first put in a basket,but thats gone by the third time.why such open disregard ? because they,re only latebreds so who cares ? is that it ? if i was running this site this post would be removed for showing the sport in an unacceptable light and i would ask mr whoever to do his toe dipping in private.why highlight the fact no basket training was given ?this post is all about the fancier and is another nail in the coffin it makes a mockery of scottish pigeon racing,forgive me if i,m taking the future of the sport too seriously,this guy isnt a fancier he,s a novice trying to look like a fancier and he should be brought to heel,the silence from the members on here is deafening.

great post jakie,,that ROLAND is tuned to the moon lol

[Roland]

Yep John, none so blind THAT won't see eh! How true in your case.

What is really amazing, is the fact that you decry what was the norm. Results were good and cost effective... And now needed ...

Can't say you live in the past, because that WAS the actual way for 90% of pigeon fanciers. The majority didn't or could afford train tossing their birds.

But then you daren't try it, so every one else who do it, have great results, are what?

People get comfortable with habit, whether any good, or good for one. Plus they don't like change.

So why are you against something that you know naff all about!

Why decry those doing something that IS needed with great result.

 

I mean just what is your problem? Don't say because you don't agree that NO ONE else should please, there's a good boy.

[jakie]

well there 2nd training toss went well enough , even beat well trained yearlings that flew the youngbird National ? we live and learn eh

those well trained yearlings want hung