RE: FIFE FED BIRDAGE

[Guest stevie-b]

not every fancier can affort the amount upfront there is alot of oap,s and fanciers who live from week to week i think they will end up putting fanciers out of the sport any losses if the fed does not have enough money to cover it should be devided amoung the fed fanciers not heaped on like this

[robinthfc]

not every fancier can affort the amount upfront there is alot of oap,s and fanciers who live from week to week i think they will end up putting fanciers out of the sport any losses if the fed does not have enough money to cover it should be devided amoung the fed fanciers not heaped on like this

 

Also, if you have 10-20 free birds and you only send 8 a week, you lose out and effectively pay for pigeons you haven't sent.

 

 

[THE FIFER]

 

Also, if you have 10-20 free birds and you only send 8 a week, you lose out and effectively pay for pigeons you haven't sent.

 

 

THERE IS NO LIMIT ON THE BIRDS U CAN SEND.

 

 

[THE FIFER]

well done for all ur posts, good replies and debate, with no agro etc, makes a big difference to the enjoyment and meaning of the forum, keep it up, and thanks.

[GREENGRASS]

One way in which it could be an advantage is with budget control as say there were 100 members and each were paying say £85 for the year well the management commitee now know exactly how much revenue they will have for the year. makes it easier to paln etc.

[robinthfc]

 

THERE IS NO LIMIT ON THE BIRDS U CAN SEND.

 

 

 

There's no limit..just have to pay for extra birds.

 

[robinthfc]

One way in which it could be an advantage is with budget control as say there were 100 members and each were paying say £85 for the year well the management commitee now know exactly how much revenue they will have for the year. makes it easier to paln etc.

 

All sounds good, but the smaller flyer's think they subsidise the bigger senders, and its maybe not helpful to getting new and keeping members.

 

[GREENGRASS]

 

All sounds good, but the smaller flyer's think they subsidise the bigger senders, and its maybe not helpful to getting new and keeping members.

 

 

 

yes would agree with you and you could also argue that it would encourage people to breed more and send more as they are paying the same for 20 as 50 etc.

[celtic]

Why not as greengrass says £85 for example and then a fiver or tenner for every bird you send over a certain amount.

[robinthfc]

 

 

 

yes would agree with you and you could also argue that it would encourage people to breed more and send more as they are paying the same for 20 as 50 etc.

 

 

Normally in these things you have to pay for extra birds, so if you send 50, you have to pay for the extra 30..per bird.

 

[Guest slugmonkey]

We had a little dissention when we first tried to do this but as everyone figured out we figured the cost to break even on the races and divided that number by the number of fanciers flying and then looked at the number of birds shipped per average per fancier and discovered that MOST of the guys were flying over this number anyway so by upping the number of allowed birds it actually made  it cheaper for the average flyer to compete we had a few hardheads that balked but eventually they came around we have made some allotments for some of the older guys on fixed income and so far it has worked we did have a couple of real idiots that tried to start their own club they made it about 3 weeks into the season before they were out of money they had limited the area they were competing in so much they ruled out all the competition and they were such small shippers that it was costing like 10 dollars per bird to race we placed 1 of them on 2 years suspension and the others on 6 month I think some of the squealers need to reckgonize the fact that sometimes what is good for the big guys IS good for the club  

[Beanz]

If it was not on the agenda as a proposition it is illegal, why do they say all propositions have to be in 28 days before the AGM. THIS IS SOS ALL MEMBERS CAN BE NOTIFIED.

[johno]

hiding proposals under the A.O.B has become a common trend. it is devious and dangerous. i am neither for or against what the proposals were. i am totally against the way it has been done. we ask on this forum whu we cannot get people to join the fancy. moves like this and the way that they are attempting to introduce mandatory selective testing on us is not helping. i put this down to the example being set by the managers of the sport. they want power without responsibility. i would like to ask if there were any union delegates to the fore. i will predict whichever way they vote is the way the union will go. this is happening to us every year now.

[dandydoo]

Johno wasnt under AOCB and it wasnt a council approved proposal ...but this is not the end and i wont moan on a forum ...i will do something about it. it was from the floor from Fanciers ...dont want to say too much to jeopardise what i will do

[robinthfc]

If it was not on the agenda as a proposition it is illegal, why do they say all propositions have to be in 28 days before the AGM. THIS IS SOS ALL MEMBERS CAN BE NOTIFIED.

 

Not only is it illegal, but shouldn't have been discussed at an AGM. You don't have AOB at an AGM and the only things that should be discussed and voted on at an AGM is whats on the Agenda.

 

But generally there should be a general meeting after the AGM where other things can be discussed. But when something important comes up a good chairman should call another meeting with the item on an agenda so everyone has a chance to think about it, discuss and vote on it.  But we all know there's a lot of people that like making up things as they go along.

[dandydoo]

Yes Robin

[THE FIFER]

 

 

There's no limit..just have to pay for extra birds.

 

 

 

NO you can put as many birds away as you want and it cost the same, put 10 away or 100, and thats what they call fair racing???????????

 

 

[THE FIFER]

Why not as greengrass says £85 for example and then a fiver or tenner for every bird you send over a certain amount.

 

yes greengrass those are reasonable, i agree,

[THE FIFER]

hiding proposals under the A.O.B has become a common trend. it is devious and dangerous. i am neither for or against what the proposals were. i am totally against the way it has been done. we ask on this forum whu we cannot get people to join the fancy. moves like this and the way that they are attempting to introduce mandatory selective testing on us is not helping. i put this down to the example being set by the managers of the sport. they want power without responsibility. i would like to ask if there were any union delegates to the fore. i will predict whichever way they vote is the way the union will go. this is happening to us every year now.

 

on the subject asking if there were any union delegates YES, 2 of the officials, who accepted the proposal. ???????  

 

 

[robinthfc]

 

NO you can put as many birds away as you want and it cost the same, put 10 away or 100, and thats what they call fair racing???????????

 

 

 

What does it work out per bird for 20 birds ??

 

[THE FIFER]

 

 

What does it work out per bird for 20 birds ??

 

its £123 per loft for 13 races, as many birds as u want, no limit u pay the same for 10 or 100, and this is pluss £20 fees for fed then u have club and shu fees on top, the £123 is for club racing, the open races u must pay as usual per bird,

 

 

[robinthfc]

 

its £123 per loft for 13 races, as many birds as u want, no limit u pay the same for 10 or 100, and this is pluss £20 fees for fed then u have club and shu fees on top, the £123 is for club racing, the open races u must pay as usual per bird,

 

 

I doubt that would stand up to scrutiny in a court of law let alone by a union. Reading the Fife feds news report and comments on here, seems to me its a 'rule' pushed through by a minority for a minority. I wouldn't pay it, which would mean it'd have to go to the union for a decision, Are there a lot of people against it ?

[Ian McKay]

At the AGM of the Aberdeen Federation in Dec 2005 we had six proposals to radically change the way we charge the membership for fees and birdage.

Of the six two were dismissed as the proposer/seconder were not present(SHU rules and confirmed in writing) The four left were voted on No one V No two the winner then went against No three, the winner of this then went against No four we ended up with a winning proposal this was taken against Status Quo with the proposal winning the vote for the Federation Fee to be £115 all birds entered in a Federation races are included within this Federation Fee.I personally was against this method as I felt it penalised the old and younger fliers who keep small teams. This was fully explained at the meeting but the majority were in favour of this type of change.

I was convinced it would cost us 12-15 members. The following year when all members had paid their fees we had one more member than the year before. This bucked the trend of falling membership.At my own club we had a meeting to pay our dues and was shocked to see almost every member in attendance waiting to pay in full. As for our treasurer she was pleased how easily it was to collect Federation fees all at once, this of course helped the bank balance.The AGM in 2006 again continued this system.So I take from this the majority of our members are happy with the one fee system.

 

Ian McKay

Federation President

[THE FIFER]

At the AGM of the Aberdeen Federation in Dec 2005 we had six proposals to radically change the way we charge the membership for fees and birdage.

Of the six two were dismissed as the proposer/seconder were not present(SHU rules and confirmed in writing) The four left were voted on No one V No two the winner then went against No three, the winner of this then went against No four we ended up with a winning proposal this was taken against Status Quo with the proposal winning the vote for the Federation Fee to be £115 all birds entered in a Federation races are included within this Federation Fee.I personally was against this method as I felt it penalised the old and younger fliers who keep small teams. This was fully explained at the meeting but the majority were in favour of this type of change.

I was convinced it would cost us 12-15 members. The following year when all members had paid their fees we had one more member than the year before. This bucked the trend of falling membership.At my own club we had a meeting to pay our dues and was shocked to see almost every member in attendance waiting to pay in full. As for our treasurer she was pleased how easily it was to collect Federation fees all at once, this of course helped the bank balance.The AGM in 2006 again continued this system.So I take from this the majority of our members are happy with the one fee system.

 

Ian McKay

Federation President

 

yes but ur proposals would be on the agenda so all who wanted to vote on the proposals got a chance, the fife fed proposals wer not on the agenda, so only those that new about them and there was quite a few were there to vote for its go, and the voting on the top 2 was 27 against 28, and the way the voting was done was, there were 3 proposals, for this, and it was hands up for 1, hands up for 2, and hands up for 3, it was 13, 27, 28, so the one with 28 passed no staus quo brought into it, and i stood up and objected to the way it was done regarding the status quo and was told "thats the way its done status quo doesnt come into it," the way the proposals were put forward and delt with was all wrong, shu rules states all proposals for agm to be in the hands of the secretary 28 before the agm, some are trying to say this was just dealing with birdage and fees, which is done at agm's but no this was a different matter all together and those proposals should have been in, and on the agenda, and also put against the status quo, officialy in my mind as it was not status quo must still stand, i amnot against the idea, it could be good but its the way it was done, all the trouble in organisations seem to relate to officials being the boss etc, and they say there should be no boss, i disagree with that there is a boss, THE RULE BOOK, and thats made up by the members and if there is something in it u dont like or want changed u propose it is, and the majority will decide, but keep the rule book the boss and u will find less arguments and brake-ups, it tels u whois right and who is wrong, and all u need to know how to ask it is be able to read.

 

 

[Ian McKay]

Hi Fifer

I am not trying to say Fife Fed are right or wrong. I am replying to Jade who indicated the Aberdeen Fed had followed this policy. This is how my Federation handled it. This is the situation for 2007.

Cheers

Ian