Amalgamation

[mickmcgrevy]

As I am sure you are all aware, there are times this year when some of the national and classic clubs will be at the same race points at the same time.

Isn't it time we started to arrange races in a more cost effective way

 

Now back to the topic heading, amalgamation, perhaps due to the fact that the sport in general is suffering from a lack of participants, would it not be worth consideration, particularly between the larger national and classic clubs.

 

Most of the time the clubs are using the same race points, sometimes on the same dates, (as has been mentioned ), and all chasing the same birds.

 

I am sure that with a little cooperation it would be possible for organisations to go to the same race points on the same dates, there would be huge savings on marking and transport for all clubs.

 

Then members who are in more than one club, could simply duplicate into the other clubs with the same birds. I assume that this is somewhat similar to the way the continentals do it.

 

I am a member of the NFC the Midland Nat and the BBC and the Northern classic, so I could compete in all four clubs with the same birds.

 

This is purely a personal opinin, what do other forum members think ?

 

All the best

 

Mick

[celtic]

It makes perfect sense, at a time when expenses are going through the roof and many fanciers are leaving the sport because of the costs involved why not amalgamate ? keep petty squabbles out of it and look forward for a change or in a few years, perhaps sooner rather than later there will be virtually no sport at all !! and all for what because of petty squabbles and stubborn fanciers who will not either give or take an inch in either direction.

[yearling]

hi all in theory it sounds great,but there should be only one true national club,open to all,the rpra should of made this a rule ,should not of let so called national clubs spring up all over,have proper nationals on set weekends etc .

 

[PIGEON_MAN]

It does make sence but lets be honest why were some of these national clubs set up in the first place,because some members were getting fed up with the way one national was going, so what do they do form another one,allthough many will deny it the MCC and the MNFC springs to mind,even the NFC have i believe lost a lot of members because they are fed up with the way it is being run.

[mickmcgrevy]

Some of you seem to be missing the point, I am not sugesting that another club be formed, only that we should try to share marking and transport cost.

 

Clubs mark as normal, and anyone wishing to do so can duplicate their birds, all up together which in theory would produce a true nationwide winner.

 

Isn't this what the continentals do ?

Mick

[yearling]

who would be in charge mick ?  liberation etc,i would never happen

[PIGEON_MAN]

Think it was in the Millenium year,the NANTES RACE need i say more.

[blackjack]

Its sound great Mr McGrevy but who pulls the strings on liberation?. Lets sy its fine in the midlands but bad in the west do you really think the MNFC would hold ?.

[jimmy white]

woud agree with you mick   :)most organisations dont go together, cause they "dont talk to each other"   example, the other year  transporter midlothian ,less than half full , transporter from pentland half full , transit van from borders nearly empty , all at the same racepoint all going same direction, 6 men to be paid 3 fuels to be paid ,,,,ludicrous

[celtic]

I'm sure Mick's point is let's try to cut costs as much as possible, why have all these drivers and trucks/vans going to the same racepoints when it is completely unneccessary, lets think logically about this instead of bearing old grudges and therefore having fanciers putting out good money when it does'nt have to happen.

A bit common sense is needed here that's all.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Its sound great Mr McGrevy but who pulls the strings on liberation?. Lets sy its fine in the midlands but bad in the west do you really think the MNFC would hold ?.

 

GOOD POINT HERE, WHEN FEDS DO GO TOGETHER WHO DOES AND WHO SHOULD HAVE THE SAY AS TO A RELEASE

[Guest TAMMY_1]

woud agree with you mick   :)most organisations dont go together, cause they "dont talk to each other"   example, the other year  transporter midlothian ,less than half full , transporter from pentland half full , transit van from borders nearly empty , all at the same racepoint all going same direction, 6 men to be paid 3 fuels to be paid ,,,,ludicrous

 

DOES EACH FED NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO AS THEY WISH WHETHER THE TRANSPORTERS ARE HALF EMPTY OR NOT, THEY MUST HAVE VOTED TO GO INDEPENDANTLY, SOMETIMES THESE DECISIONS DO NOT COME DOWN TO A FINANCIAL REASON AND I THINK IT WILL BE A LONG TIME BEFORE THIS WILL CHANGE, ALL COMES DOWN TO WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY OUTWITH YOUR FEDERATION SAYING WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR BIRDS, PERSONALLY I WOULD NEVER  WANT ANYBODY OUTWITH LANARKSHIRE FED DECIDING WHAT HAPPENS TO MY BIRDS AND WHEN THEY GET RELEASED

[THE FIFER]

 

GOOD POINT HERE, WHEN FEDS DO GO TOGETHER WHO DOES AND WHO SHOULD HAVE THE SAY AS TO A RELEASE

 

 

 

 

the one furthest north.

 

[blackjack]

The Fifer says its should be the fanciers furthest north well sir what if its fine in the line to the north but in say the west country its throwing it down ?. Wipeout thier is alot more to this if different organisation send it could end in tears and heavy losses if proper safeguards are not agreed on .

[mickmcgrevy]

The Midland Nat and the NFC  have all these considerations to take into account every race.

[mickmcgrevy]

I am speaking here of the nationals and classics joining together, they are used to being liberated when sometimes the conditions are not what you might call perfect for everyone. Allthough I think it would make sense for the feds to do the same thing.

The problem with club flying, is that someone always thinks that this side or that side has an advantage, and when it's all said and done, pigeon racing will never be on a level playing field.  

[blackjack]

Im sorry sir but the MNFC do not race to western counties ie Devon,Cornwall,Dorset ,Somerset ,Wilts and Glos .I used to race out of Cornwall and we were used to being forgotten about. It is something that needs to be looked into possilbly seperate libs ?. Its a good idea but needs working on.

 

[Roland]

Mick great Idea... I have crusaded for yonks, with my articles in the BHW at fed and club levels.

I first off tried to stop - persuade - clubs from splitting in two to fly South or North, arguing that both could, and should be run under the same roof, where any member could choose and take his’ pigeons for either route.

Then my other 'Pet' topic is that all clubs be part of a Fed that is part of an Amalgamation which is part of a Combine which in turn is part of a National. Each week nigh, one just has to pay a few pence per bird to be in an Amalgamation, Combine etc. And it can be done easily, especially in this technical day and age. TROUBLE is too many are worried that they will loose a bit of an advantage due to Drag, or a change of Liberation site etc. And funnily enough it isn't the grass rot flyers that put blockers on it, or persuade other to be anti, it is them very same ones that have a god location and are often well placed in all their Races, from Nationals down. Like wise sections... They wont even consider length as to the gross unfairness of WIDTH... and why! Because the ones in the West are they nest eggs, and line their pockets and make their Coffers larger.

[Roland]

Lol should be Root and not Rot, and Good not God lol. Still may read efore I post ... perhaps not lol.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Lol should be Root and not Rot, and Good not God lol. Still may read efore I post ... perhaps not lol.

 

roland you are a crackpot

[mickmcgrevy]

Blackjack, the midland Nat has members on both sides of the country east and west, so consideration has to be given to both sides re weather.

  and as for Devon and Cornwall not being considered, I have heard it all before, and I live in  south yorks and fly 200 mile further than members in Cornwall, Like I said earlier, pigeon racing will never be equal.

Lets just race our pigeons.

  

 

[murphy]

Hello Mick,

 

Good idea.I think local feds should do the same instead of going down the road with half empty transporters {does half empty make me a pesamist}.Would be better for the birds,[less liberations, less clashing, fewer losses}transport man and our pockets.But you have to deal with some of the men who dont like change or dont get on with the man or officails of the other organisation,i feel these people are the ones who are killing our sport but try and do something and your a marked man or trouble maker.I think its time the RPRA intervened and told organisations that they WILL amalgamate or face penalties when using a wagon that holds 4000 birds but only sending 2000.

 

What do you think?

[THE FIFER]

good thinking murphy

[gangster]

AGREE TOTALY...MURPHY...................

[Guest Vic]

He deserves a whammy sammy!