Multiple Clockings

[Bad Trapper]

We are getting to the end of our Old Bird season and things came to a head at the weekend mainly because we have 3 fanciers in one of the clubs I am in putting 6 birds in their clock every week and in some cases the first 18 positions are taken by them. After a heated debate the 4 other members have said they are flying in other clubs for the young bird season and leaving the remaining 3 or 4 to fight it out amongst themselves. I would point out that these flyers are regulars in the Fed top 10 every week.

Just really wanted to know has this happened or is happening in your club? Any solutions you have to this etc. A novice did join the club at the start of the year but has now joined another club I think on the advice of others to give himself a chance.

[gangster]

unless these guys come 2 an agreement on how many they are going 2 clock in there is nothing that can be done ....but its signing the death nell as 3 flyers only sending is not a race......

[OLDYELLOW]

i suppose a solution is to either have a 2 bird club and 1st 2 birds to a member get prizes and cards others just club positions no prize money or alternativley have a CHAMPION LEAGUE (A) with the four dominating ones and a NOVICE LEAGUE ( B ) and spread the prizes out

[Guest shadow]

this has happened year after year in clubs up and down the country and in many cases has caused clubs to close I knew fanciers who would fill a clock with 14 birds every week

[tarzan]

if they pays there monies there entitled to take the positions ,whats the point in coming second third for a piece of card if these fanciers have got there birds home ,this is de-valueing the prize so the bird thats third would normally be 19th posistion .thats sportsmanship at its best if your beaten by better birds and fanciers accept it and enjoy your birds regardless if they win or not ,fanciers who cannot rise to the challenge of beating the top fanciers normally leave the sport under any excuse anyay .someone as to be top and someone as to be bottom.its always a good man who can shake the hands of a winner and they dont become winners without hard work and dedication to there birds .

 

enjoy your pigeons

[frank-123]

Tarzan i agree

you only get out what you put in i would ask why are they all beating me then look in a mirror

i know what i am talking about not had a red card all season

but credit to the winners they have worked harder, better birds  and better at conditioning them than me but i will keep plodding on

so put them all in the clock because i don't want any card i did not deserve

 

 

[Guest neil]

we havent got this problem in our club but another club close by overcame this by only allowing 1 prize per fancier and spread the prize money over 5 prizes and therefore the three fliers would win three prizes but still leave two prizes for everyone else,seems to work for them and who knows the best three may be putting more finances in than they will take out

[steve d]

I clocked birds in the past to be lucky enough to take the first 6 in club, being secretary at the time when I went home to do the sheets I deleted 4 of my birds many times, never was I thanked for doing this............... the same people I gave prizes to all showed there true colours a few years later when I applied for membership to another club ...they voted against me, I would never give away prizes again.

My advice is simple if your birds aint good enough then get better and put as much time and effort into them as you possibly can, your results will improve, ;) ;)

[gangster]

i agree with the fact youve paid your money...but after 6 cards theres nothing so why destroy your club and competition.....no i dont want to win a card i never really won....and yes its time to look at yourself then the quality of birds you have....another question with only theses 3 guys left surely the clubs finished as well...lack of members?????

[tarzan]

i agree with the fact youve paid your money...but after 6 cards theres nothing so why destroy your club and competition.....no i dont want to win a card i never really won....and yes its time to look at yourself then the quality of birds you have....another question with only theses 3 guys left surely the clubs finished as well...lack of members?????

 

i understand what your saying about the birds clocked after the sixth position but the birds clocked can go towards federation combine positions.sadly the thing with the positions constantly going people leave the club that they cannot rise to the challenge of beating the topman ,resulting in many clubs folding ,then top fanciers without a club .

[gangster]

very true...sad state of affairs but it is happening.....i think the european ways a good 1 if your in the radius of a club they cannot turn you down for membership.......

[tarzan]

very true...sad state of affairs but it is happening.....i think the european ways a good 1 if your in the radius of a club they cannot turn you down for membership.......

 

i couldnt agree more ,too many fanciers are lost in this game through been turned down because they are good fanciers ,no club should be able to turn down anyone ,but sadly the loss of many fanciers is through fanciers leaving one club for another.theres too many small breakaway clubs formed by fanciers who cannot beat the topman .

[hepste]

If I clock a bird, I want to know its' true position on the prize list.  If I get beaten by 18 birds belonging to Joe Bloggs, so be it - must try harder.  I can never understand why people want to claim a prize for say fourth bird home, when in fact it could be 22nd or whatever.  My club has a four bird clock limit, with which I disaqgree, but accept as a majority decision.

[pjc]

The members who cannot rise to the challenge, improve there system, become more dedicated to the cause will still not win running away to another club, so what the point! They may as well pack it in now!

If they do run away the other 3 can't race on there own without other going to help mark there birds!

 

Phil

[Bad Trapper]

Just like to add I will be still racing against these guys, I am double clubbed with 2 different Feds, I have had Fed cards this year against them so I have no complaints, if I get a decent one in the club I know I have a squeak in the Fed. And I clocked 5 in this weekend!!!

[pjc]

good on ya!

[chocolate]

the thing is these flyers dont seem to want to step up to the next level and have ago at beating the best ? isnt that what racings all about ?

[Guest spin cycle]

can't see the point in clocking 6 in a 7 member club and end up killing your club or having to work doubly hard club wise. if you are a good flyer in a small club  first two should be enough ,after all if you know you could've taken more, a 'better' man can gain satisfaction . surely the national and classic clubs prove the real test, so whats the point in crushing your local club that helps you prepare for the big races? but 'if you pay your money' do you really have the right to kill the club? those people 'who should look in the mirrow' are the ones cleaning crates, setting clocks etc and what pleasure is there in crushing novices , the less well off , the 'hobby' flyer or the club worker who ,after he does his club work,  barely has time to prepare his own birds?  i know it's unpopular but clubs must retain the right to protect themselves from from flyers who seek glory by killing small clubs and then boasting about it. they exist and try to hide themselves amongst the true great sportsman we have. if you've more than 1 club in your area you are very lucky...i have just one and if we were forced to take anyone the club would fold , loosing ten racing lofts. i started from scratch as did 3 of our other members and we all have to work for our club to survive .   sorry if i upset anyone but i believe this to be the truth even if it does make me unpopular here.  

[Roland]

No of a well known flyer ... most of you know of him too... who pays nigh everything to get a few to race against him (including training I am led to believe) ... they do send of course, But are using the club as training only, and sending their main hopes to the same race point via another club they set up. Sure his 20 first places looks good... but is fooling no one. Yes I suppose he thought he was clever and 'Jack the Lad' too. Makes the reason why the rest form another club and let them get on with it! Sure they pays their dues etc. and are entitled, and good luck to them. Just like others are entitled to form a new club. Personally I don't mind mob flyers... especially as it means cheaper racing for me.

[Guest milkyal]

we have a member that clocks every bird sometimes we have over 100 club birds read. We all us ETS so its not a problem. We read the first twenty and then each members first bird for the result.

[jimmy white]

to keep the club afloat , why not each member nominate 4 birds for the club result , if youve 50 birds or so its very difficult to pick four  birds [when all members would have the same chance ], rather than race numbers in the hope of getting any bird i say ,this really just to save the club,,,,,,,,but, learning to beat them would be better and more satisfying  

[chocolate]

its common sense some dont have it

[darkness]

in our club we have roughly 25 members sending and we have a four bird limit but with only 10 prizes available

[tippler1]

thay use to do it when my son was 13 never gave him a chance but see grown men cry when a 13 year old beat them thay soon went home on clocking night

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Always going be the point on this they paid they are entitled to time the birds in but if its in a small club where there are few members and the majority of those just keep pigeons for a hobby what are you going to gain besides ending up with no club to race in at all majority of clubs that are like that are where the old fanciers are your clock setters they do the crates and all the jobs that most dont want to do pigeon racing doesnt begin at bringing baskets full of pigeons down your club and end when you bring your clock back  Nothing wrong with timing in all the birds you want but if you are a good flier there is plenty of opportunity doing it against the competition in the nationals or classics where you got the competition and will get the recognition you want much more satisfying and better i would have thought than helping put an end to one of the little clubs

 

Have to agree with you Rose it proves nothing to take the first 6 in the club when the club is small and uncompetetive.