Petition-support Karen James

[superstar]

mark no disrespect mate but stuff the proper channels,its ok chatting about it but if we want summit done you got to get the gob sh**'s attension mate i think this will.

maybe they might thing that their cosy little trips abroad are under threat.

but then again we cant have them getting upset now can we (MY *expletive removed*)  8)

 

Tell you what Jimmy one read of the comments made here and they should wake up as the ballance sure isn't in their favour

[Guest spin cycle]

jusy suppose some people were to start a 'shadow' union...could it be internet based ?...it would make communication quick ,cheap and easily democratic...eg Internet Pigeon Racing Union. not being in pigeons for that long i'm not sure what a union has to do...but many of the racing rules could be cloned etc

[hepste]

There is no doubt about it, the whole RPRA organisation needs a bloody good shake up, and streamlining. The mechanics of the way it administers the sport belongs to the last century.  It is ludicrously pedestrian and slow, with no impetus or momentum.  It needs a whole new strategy, which embraces the modern world, and creates a new image for the sport. The most up to date communication medium these days is the web, and look how dull and uninteresting the RPRA website is.  It is just so frustrating.  I would love someone to get in there and tear up the old rules and policies and start again.  I can't see the new GM doing anything, because as a non fancier it will take 2 years to begin to understand this unique sport.  Also he has no incentive.  The post attracts an attractive salary, which is non performance related, with no recognisable measurement of effectiveness.  In this day and age that is unheard of.  Bloody shambles!

[OLDYELLOW]

jusy suppose some people were to start a 'shadow' union...could it be internet based ?...it would make communication quick ,cheap and easily democratic...eg Internet Pigeon Racing Union. not being in pigeons for that long i'm not sure what a union has to do...but many of the racing rules could be cloned etc

 

 

slight problem with a internet union you need to get as many of the R.P.R.A members as possible and not everyone has access to a computer some wouldnt know how to turn it on  , in order to do that you would have to charge a Joining fee , then use the initial fees to actively post to club secatarys to hand leaflets for membership till you have enough members to be reconised as a union , short cuts would be members on forums could print out forms for there own club members , and knock a few off the list  

[hepste]

jusy suppose some people were to start a 'shadow' union...could it be internet based ?...it would make communication quick ,cheap and easily democratic...eg Internet Pigeon Racing Union. not being in pigeons for that long i'm not sure what a union has to do...but many of the racing rules could be cloned etc

 

Do you know, you have made some very, very good points that could just work.  The problem I see, is signing up enough people/clubs to make it viable. But from small acorns do great oaks grow.  What do others on here consider?  I think it could be a go-er.

 

 

[hepste]

 

 

slight problem with a internet union you need to get as many of the R.P.R.A members as possible and not everyone has access to a computer some wouldnt know how to turn it on  , in order to do that you would have to charge a Joining fee , then use the initial fees to actively post to club secatarys to hand leaflets for membership till you have enough members to be reconised as a union , short cuts would be members on forums could print out forms for there own club members , and knock a few off the list  

 

How many members do you need for it to be recognised as a union?  I didn't realise there was a minimum.

 

 

[OLDYELLOW]

theres no maximum nor minimum but if there money going in to the reddings then they can survive but if you form a union once it had a good membership we could all resign from the R.P.R.A then it would lose its life source OUR MONEY then the path would be clear for the new union to make this great sport into something that could be held in high esteem , and bring a nationalised approach to our sport , if you can reduce running costs in anything then it would benifit all of us not just the few

[ChrisMaidment08]

then they fold rpra and we have new rpra great idea one thing though we are unhappy with way its run only ones left will be ones we are complaining about wont that suite them as all assits would be diveid between remaining members oh dear only about 2  million quid suites them fine

[hepste]

theres no maximum nor minimum but if there money going in to the reddings then they can survive but if you form a union once it had a good membership we could all resign from the R.P.R.A then it would lose its life source OUR MONEY then the path would be clear for the new union to make this great sport into something that could be held in high esteem , and bring a nationalised approach to our sport , if you can reduce running costs in anything then it would benifit all of us not just the few

 

I have to admit, I'm quite taken with the idea.  Basically, you create a set of rules(maybe based on the RPRA set), recruit some trustworthy, ethically sound people to administer the rules, deal with the periphary matters eg ring sales, reporting of strays etc., recruit members, and Bob's your uncle.  Sounds too simple :-/

 

 

[ChrisMaidment08]

the girls working there will still be there they do all that but you wont have the leeches

[Guest bigda]

then they fold rpra and we have new rpra great idea one thing though we are unhappy with way its run only ones left will be ones we are complaining about wont that suite them as all assits would be diveid between remaining members oh dear only about 2  million quid suites them fine

 

all depends  on what bank the put the money in Iceland ;D

[OLDYELLOW]

the girls working there will still be there they do all that but you wont have the leeches

 

this is exactly what i would intend , to recruit those with the talents and the fossils removed , the rules would be the same maybe worded differently and re organised so not to outright copy as im sure that could end up in court . Then when members pay there fees at club then get sent to new union a ballot form to each member which suggestion made from members the previous season then everyone would have there say power would be with the people not the few that manage to climb there

[ChrisMaidment08]

climb youer joking aint you wheelchair by private nurse

[Guest bigda]

a ballot of no confidence would be a better  bet  of all officials , although some will be reelected on merit, and it can  be  administered  by a auditor for the first year  till proper  delegates are in place to rectify the  neglected unions , time for change stop the gravy train  now

[OLDYELLOW]

a ballot of no confidence would remove one or two but there be just as many of the jobs go to old boys then your back to square one , theres only one way to do it and i have put it there out in the open if change is wanted it has to be a complete restart

[Guest bigda]

a ballot of no confidence would remove one or two but there be just as many of the jobs go to old boys then your back to square one , theres only one way to do it and i have put it there out in the open if change is wanted it has to be a complete restart

 

best bet would be  to put up a ballot paper for direction  of union to be copyed and  given to all club members then a count to see whats what then  go for it if in majority, all it would  cost is a pm from clubs sectarys as to the vote count and keep ballot  papers for  records of proof and then go with  your plan of attack

[OLDYELLOW]

yup it could be done but it would cost to send the letters out to all the club secatarys , so if the union started online and moneys came in for membership then the letters would be paid for by the membership

[OLDYELLOW]

I actualy thought that the East coast show was an atempt to form a new union as something like that does create alot of money , but im not sure where the moneys going to only Colin Surtees would know this  

[Guest bigda]

yup it could be done but it would cost to send the letters out to all the club sectary's , so if the union started online and moneys came in for membership then the letters would be paid for by the membership

 

if we could give it a couple of  weeks for the word to be passed on and  members  copied the file  down load and made photo copies of them and  handed to local clubs  i think it costs 5p in the library to photo copy  most clubs  have about 20 members  100 copies a fiver then pass them on then set a date  for your  agms to  fill them in  and await till all known clubs  have filled it in  then they can  text result or pm

[OLDYELLOW]

100 members join at £10 each £1000 that would send alot of letters out then more members would join till all clubs lobbied all members would be on a new database

[Guest bigda]

100 members join at £10 each £1000 that would send alot of letters out then more members would join till all clubs lobbied all members would be on a new database

 

yes  make up the membership cards

[Roland]

WELL IM BEHIND HER ...ITS TIME THE FUDDS GOT  BOOTED OUT OF THERE COMFORT ZONE!!!!!!!!!M  ITS THESE CLOWNS DRAINING OUR RESOURSES WITH THERE EXSPENSES ECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,SACK THEM LOT  GIVE  REAL FANCIERS THE JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!........

 

Realism please, just who are they, and how does one replace them? By exactly the same method as is already in place.

Forget all the ardour and response here... Be real and look back at just that last short time.

Bewted got a great plan for strays... everyone rooting... died a death through Apathy when names were asked to be put forward. Avian Flu.... What an outcry! What a mess, and apathy set in..... talk nowt done... still ent. Hawks / Raptures, Corridor flying, Strays etc. etc. forget it, APATHY will have set in and few names will be put forward.

RPRA regards the Flu did more than all the rants and raves and bickering than all those members put together ... indeed what in reality did, or has the members ever done!

YES great fundraisers for noble and charity. Thankless via the public ... becuase they never know, hear about it! Every year we give... but we can't / couldn't even manage a good pee up in the pub if the beer was free... No one would serve, and soon be forgotten.

RPRA wanted one little £'ddy A YEAR to promote a PR. Firm Members outrage stops them. What and how for instance does one really expect to fight organised concerns like the RSPB etc with the rolling well organised machinery of mass publicity! Moan in the local I guess. They laugh at us and every other concern that is affected by Raptures  / falcons etc.

Not a shred of help via the members, just moans that the Government, the RPRA etc. etc. should do this and that... and then take the rug away because you can't get a brainy businessman to give up his livelihood to work full time and above for NOTHING as he keeps pigeons.

PR Firms mean THINK TANKS, MEANS how Joe public see it. Has means to the 'People' that matter, leeway in the corridors of power.... But a £! coin! Forget it, lets moan instead and sooner - if any left - that Knight in white armour will be here.

Let me say this, this time tomorrow, next week, next year decade etc. everything will be the same ... if there is such a thing as pigeon racing as we know it today.

Should have gone down the road of 'One loft races for Corporate concerns, ten years ago. They would have pave the way for club / Fed / Alma / Combine and National races every WEEK for a lot less money... But that don't suit too many... Mostly of course the members that rather moan.

So tel just whose names are we looking for? Further just who's names are putting themselves forward. Be great to stat a thread called 'Put my name up'!

[ChrisMaidment08]

well put my name up for pres or manager  cos i hate crap and noboddys who when have little power turn into bigheads

[Guest bigda]

put my name in there mate  Â£10 it aint much,  but  its a bit like all things here members should be maid to donate for  better privlages, or there donation be given to another cause, with that i mean there is none so blind when it suits, or  they canot see the wood for the trees

[Merlin]

Roland

To recognise things are wrong,and not to take action to redress situation is possibly the greatest form of apathy of all,this will turn us into wallowers,better some indeed any course of action be acted upon,nobody says it has to be totally right in the beginning,but the very fact that you have acted upon it by recognising how flawed it is will surely guarantee the end result can only be an improvement, unions are at present due to their administrators and their ostrich outlook,and their antiquidated rules with many apparently contradicting each other in no position to go forward,or even heal their own inefficiencies,to bring in P.R people at this stage would only paper over the cracks,P.R is essential for our sport,but its important we get our own house in order first,and its nigh on impossible to do this from within,those in authority and our outdated administration makes this  impossible,so it has to be from outside,the members monies is the lifeblood of the unions,on an ongoing basis,remove this,and in this instance,if you pay the piper its expected you call the tune,have seen a good deal of my life-years involved with this pigeon sport,and undoubtedly its regressing at an alarming rate,akin to a bunch of Lemmings,searching for a clifftop,this thread is gone off track,I am also guilty of doing so,as for Karen,she being an insider has stated something the majority are aware of and believe, also with more factual insight than we have,yet she is be punished by those who purport to represent our interests,it cant be right from my logic,so yes my name is on petition,as should I believe every fancier who thinks there are still some honesty and decentl values left among us