Question for the RPRA

[swilcox]

I was under the impression that Pigeons were protected by law, ie if you shot or killed one the police can press charges, so if you deliberately trained a domestic Falcon to attack racing pigeons would this also be included under this law????

 

Stuart Wilcox

[Guest peter.j]

i dont think the pigeons themselves are protected but with them being your property there may be a criminal damage issue

[Guest chrisss]

the rings are yours, if anyone keeps them its theft

[Guest rodders]

i thought they was protected so no body could kill the queens birds same as swans????????????

[whiteflighted]

idiot lol

[Guest spin cycle]

I was under the impression that Pigeons were protected by law, ie if you shot or killed one the police can press charges, so if you deliberately trained a domestic Falcon to attack racing pigeons would this also be included under this law????

 

Stuart Wilcox

 

be very difficult to prove as once the falcon airbourne the handler could argue that he can't control it...and so is not responsible. if he was seen deliberatly launching at a 'kit' of after a lib then maybe a slight chance.

[The Navigator]

RPRA. Come on Stu they are useless? This as been going on for years and what have they done, nowt?

[whiteflighted]

is someone doing this to you

[Guest]

 

be very difficult to prove as once the falcon airbourne the handler could argue that he can't control it...and so is not responsible. if he was seen deliberatly launching at a 'kit' of after a lib then maybe a slight chance.

 

dont know about you but if i saw some rat launching anything at my birds i would only be worried about one thing (DOES HE LIKE HOSPITAL FOOD THROUGH A STRAW)

[whiteflighted]

do you know the person

[Turk]

Pigeons are a common pest and whilst not protected by law must still be treated humanely when being controlled under the DEFRA governance. Causing them harm or prolonged suffering is illegal and again the removal of pigeons needs to be professionally undertaken by trained individuals under a DEFRA general licence.

 

many pest control people use and train mainly Harris Hawks for the removal of pigeons people see as pests ,sadly this can be lost racing pigeons who take up home on buildings etc.but the general use of such a bird is not to kill the bird only to scare the bird off .

only a idiot would knowingly attempt to take out someones racing pigeon .

 

you cannot train a falcon to just kill pigeons  ,its natural to them they are predators,its whats built into them .when the time comes they will take what they need be it a pigeon or some other food source. :-/

[white logan]

and as for rings being your property forget it !, when young falcons are ringed , any racing pigeon rings are smashed to avoid any potential conflict , and if your found at a peregrine nest site recovering racing rings , you will be prosecuted for interfering with a protected bird ,.........dream on ! its all against you

[Turk]

RPRA. Come on Stu they are useless? This as been going on for years and what have they done, nowt?

 

 

 

 

the rpra have been constantly asked by fanciers over the last thirty years to take some action,yet they put their heads in the sand and keep taking the monies and pensions ,and do nothing for the everyday fancier ,whilst their birds come under constant attack .resulting in many fanciers walking away disheartened by the carnage caused in some cases of daily attacks ,they will keep taking the monies until there is none left to take . :-/

[Roland]

Was a program on T.V. about that... Horsefield and such boo - hooed that they really do try that. Showed the pigeons just moved away a hundred feet, then when chased again, they just moved back So trying to scare them was proved a well laid fallacy. As Horsefield said, and his firm clears Run Ways etc. the hawk kills and brings back. Never mind Tethering their beaks and claws, etc. this would nevver be comtemplated... Besides a waste of time, what if the hawk absconed as they have been proned to do.... not able to kill to live! Never happens, or ever will.

[edwards]

be carfull bud in a delicate situation bad enough the hawks on our backs. :X

[little sam]

Well if somone let a Hawk go after my birds they would recive a comapct package into there face then there hawk would be hitting concrete repeatadly

[swilcox]

I think he thought i was an old pensioner, he had a bit of a shock yesterday when an 18st rugby player chased him down the footpath, i couldnt be sure he was targeting my birds and the hawk didnt take any but he will not be back im sure!!!! 8)  

[Leroy]

pigeons owned by a fancier are his property and therefore can be illegally damaged by someone. Criminal damage can be caused intentionally i.e. setting his hawk onto your birds, or recklessly i.e. flying his hawk where pigeons are flown and it is reasonably forseeable by a reasonable person that damage will occur. The problem we face with this though is that if your birds are killed in their loft, it is obviously intentional and criminal damage, BUT once you release your birds from the loft you open them up to risk from attack.

 

It is arguable whether someone is guilty of an offence, but i suspect the police will say they can do nothing and pursue a civil action yourself unfortunately

[pjc]

I have just e-mailed the following letter to the BHW editor, if this was adopted we may actualy be able to find out what the RPRA are doing if anything!

 

Good morning Mr Richards

 

Can I make a suggestion for the BHW.

I belong to a few forums and there often appears to be concerns from members all over the country about the lack of action or response to problems by the RPRA.

You already have your “view from the Reddings†slot but I think it would be a good idea to have a questions page where members can e-mail questions and both the question and answer from the RPRA are printed.

Surely one page an issue could be given over to this which in turn would build bridges between the membership and the Association as well as enabling the Association to actually here from the grass roots membership and give a reply on what is being done or can be done etc!

[Guest numpty01]

I have just e-mailed the following letter to the BHW editor, if this was adopted we may actualy be able to find out what the RPRA are doing if anything!

 

Good morning Mr Richards

 

Can I make a suggestion for the BHW.

I belong to a few forums and there often appears to be concerns from members all over the country about the lack of action or response to problems by the RPRA.

You already have your “view from the Reddings†slot but I think it would be a good idea to have a questions page where members can e-mail questions and both the question and answer from the RPRA are printed.

Surely one page an issue could be given over to this which in turn would build bridges between the membership and the Association as well as enabling the Association to actually here from the grass roots membership and give a reply on what is being done or can be done etc!

excellent pjc hope it dont go via the rpra as everything the bhw if raises question goes to the general manager for clearance i know as i sent few things in and was told not acceptable

 

 

[pjc]

he will have to run it past the RPRA so lets see if he's got the b*lls to answer members concerns or will continue to hide behind his desk with head in the sand?

[Guest]

I have just e-mailed the following letter to the BHW editor, if this was adopted we may actualy be able to find out what the RPRA are doing if anything!

 

Good morning Mr Richards

 

Can I make a suggestion for the BHW.

I belong to a few forums and there often appears to be concerns from members all over the country about the lack of action or response to problems by the RPRA.

You already have your “view from the Reddings†slot but I think it would be a good idea to have a questions page where members can e-mail questions and both the question and answer from the RPRA are printed.

Surely one page an issue could be given over to this which in turn would build bridges between the membership and the Association as well as enabling the Association to actually here from the grass roots membership and give a reply on what is being done or can be done etc!

excellent Phil , well done ,great letter ,lets hope we have the right response .               andy.

 

[pjc]

Reply received from the editor:-

 

Thank you for your suggestion, I will certainly look into the possibility of such a page and will put forward your suggestions to the BHW Management Committee when they meet next month.

 

Will have to wait and see but i'll send another at the end of July if i've not had a response!

 

Phil

[pigeonpete]

Well done Phil, I bet you have to e-mail them again lol :-)

[Roland]

Well you are perfectedly legal to claim and have damages against a cat owner who's cat kills or damages your bird, (Yes some kind of proof would be needed I guess unfortunately lol)so why not hawks....  :-/ Wild hawks of course wouldn't be nigh impossible to sue the RSPB, would take years and cost a fortune, and regardless what one may think, Cash has to be up front! And that would be upteen thousands of pounds.