Losses too high in National racing into Scotland?

[Chris Little]

Can we get back to the subject of this thread please..... national young bird losses

[Guest JPH]

yes young bird losses.  Always get this discussion every time that losses are high from a race .

 

lanarkshire had it few weeks back , snrpc last week and snfc this week, and many other orgs over past few weeks.  Same old thing as frank dooman says.  It gets its week of discussion then its forgoten about and

no one ever finds out any reason for it , and never will.  

It was a good post  to discuss  for a few days but thats as far as it will go,

 

same next year, where has all the yb gone i would exspect :( :( losses everywhere not just nats

[Novice]

Can we get back to the subject of this thread please..... national young bird losses

 

Good point Chris--to get back on track I would suggest the reason for major losses is always multiple but I would point out that I read on here last week that the moon was in a particular phase and appeared pretty low in the sky.

It was clearly visible on Saturday.

I know there are those who have no faith in the sun and moon discussion but it might be worth considering when we propose a race program just in case it is relevant.

 

I onec visited a prominent fancier who had ionisers running constantly in his loft. I asked if he thought they helped. He said he had no idea but for all they cost to run he was not going to switch them off.

 

Cover all possibilities then we may do better.

[kirky]

it would be interesting to no how many birds had been to a 200 mile race before hand, as several were asking on here for advice about jumping birds from 150 mile into national how many got them that did, my birds flew lilliers on saturday 281mls e/n/e wind sent 4 got 4 these same 4 flew eastbourne 245mls the week before & maidstone 214mls the week before that, results, 1st maidstone, 6th eastbourne, 5th & 6th lilliers,

[Albear]

Last night had a 'phone call from a very good friend in Northern Ireland, he had a YB reported near Exeter from last weeks Talbenny National. Reported by a non fancier, I picked the pigeon up this morning, in immaculate condition bred from top pigeons but the non fanciers said it couldn't fly they caught it with a fishing net in the garden, my feeling is that it was attacked by a hawk and was sheltering. Interestingly they had an eagle owl on the roof of the dormer, I asked why they had one, they said it kept the sea gulls from nesting on the roof!! Could this pigeon have seen the eagle owl and thought it was safe near it?????. At the same time on my way back  I called back to a local fancier and he had an Irish stray in that he had reported several weeks previous an old bird; again a lovely pigeon no injuries. I am convinced we have two problems in Devon & Cornwall, that causes huge losses to our area, a) the BOP and the military prescence and communication networks, between Tiverton and Barnstaple it's hawk alley and there are several communication hotspots I understand.

I'm with Bigda here, the airwaves I'm sure are causing huge problems for the lesser quality pigeons and the hawks are frightening the life out of the birds. Can you imagine the fear felt when someone is hunting you to kill you? I think these are the two major issues affecting us all.

To all the organisations liberating down here you would help yourself by moving further east but unfortunately they are dotted all around the south coast now. To the Irish Talbenny has to be a deadly site for you, the peregrine population along the North Cornwall, North Devon coast is abundant as it is inland all the way through. It's a tough route but I think flying the continent East - West would help the vast majority of us, at least the birds will have several hundred miles before they start hitting the areas over populated with hawks.

[Guest bigda]

yes all those types of signals causing damage to both birds and us  looking at it from a Scottish  point of view we have  more mast in certain areas as the  mountains restricted a lot of the signals  in lower parts of england they only need a few  as the restriction is much less to a extent, just stating, but the  pigeon route for home as it is in wales  is along Vally's and ravines   and this is where we can  now see masts  there was Oslo

another report to come out from a town 12 mile from me  was that when the wind mills where installed it  did interrupt the TV signals in there area so the TV company's  altered the frequency to allow the  signal to pass  don't know if  it and why it was changed  for the better or for  worse  and there are a lot of these  wind farms

cropping up all over the place and if they  can alter airwaves what about gravity signals the birds home to, are they changed  creating electricity  must have effect  in the area and as all electricity runs to the ground the magnetics  could be  changed  with the the amount of these thing popping up  and who is the  the people that gain from these  white elephants, as when there is no wind, i   think we the public are getting  coned  as to its turning but is it doing any good

[Guest JPH]

yes all those types of signals causing damage to both birds and us  looking at it from a Scottish  point of view we have  more mast in certain areas as the  mountains restricted a lot of the signals  in lower parts of england they only need a few  as the restriction is much less to a extent, just stating, but the  pigeon route for home as it is in wales  is along Vally's and ravines   and this is where we can  now see masts  there was Oslo

another report to come out from a town 12 mile from me  was that when the wind mills where installed it  did interrupt the TV signals in there area so the TV company's  altered the frequency to allow the  signal to pass  don't know if  it and why it was changed  for the better or for  worse  and there are a lot of these  wind farms

cropping up all over the place and if they  can alter airwaves what about gravity signals the birds home to, are they changed  creating electricity  must have effect  in the area and as all electricity runs to the ground the magnetics  could be  changed  with the the amount of these thing popping up  and who is the  the people that gain from these  white elephants, as when there is no wind, i   think we the public are getting  coned  as to its turning but is it doing any good

 

 

[Guest JPH]

Have you still got your sthill saw bigda,????     if you have the future of the wind mills could be in your hands ;D ;D ;D

[Guest bigda]

the thing about them, is i   cant remember   getting asked  would i like too look at them  

[Guest youngzimmy]

ONE HAS TO WONDER IF IT IS WORTH RACING YOUNGBIRDS AT ALL IF YOUR TRYING TO BUILD A COMPETIVE TEAM SAY FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS YOUR CUFFED IN THE STARTING BLOCKS IT SEEMS

[Guest]

i have just found this thread as for the snrpc y/b nat 4 members of my club sent and as far as i know out of the 21/22 birds sent only 1/2 did not return so 98/99% returns yes i understand the west boys did not fair as well i cant speak for the snfc but i would expect the same % of returns but as delboy said not all the birds are good enough but you cant take the No,s on the final results and say thats all that has returned thats nonsence between the 2 nat i would think the returns will be above 75/80% thats good for that distance for y/birds some just want to stir it for the distance men ! we expect biggar than normal looses so nothing has changed infact i think its got better in the last couple of years i can only speak for myself ive got more 2/3 yearolds than i have ever had!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest bigda]

frank how manny young birds  do you have  as these are the birds that help you next year  

[Guest]

22 left thats plenty for next year

[Guest bigda]

thats a  good amount to have, do you no fancy trying them out

[Guest]

thats a  good amount to have, do you no fancy trying them out

 

??????????????????????? all raced to at least weatherby exept a couple that returned from early races 6out of 7 y/b nat i think they have been well and truly tested and most of my yearlings go over the pond they at least have to do wanstead flats 350mls to me all 2 yr old out to at least riems no sprinters here no passangers either survival of the best the basket will sort the wheat from the chaff!!!!!!!!!! and we all breed rubbish

[Dodgy Trapper]

Y/Bs birds have been lost in big numbers in the nationalsand federations down south and in training also.

the problem is fanciers keep their losess quite.

the results dont tell you how many never made it home (missing?).

Large breeders of ybs, say 100 could lose 50 and still have 50 left.

Until we are all honest about this problem things will not change.

we need to talk more about it and try to learn how to correct these loses.

[Guest bigda]

Y/Bs birds have been lost in big numbers in the nationalsand federations down south and in training also.

the problem is fanciers keep their losess quite.

the results dont tell you how many never made it home (missing?).

Large breeders of ybs, say 100 could lose 50 and still have 50 left.

Until we are all honest about this problem things will not change.

we need to talk more about it and try to learn how to correct these loses.

    your the first honest  fancier on here mate  we go through 40,000 young birds a year in the lanarkshire  and when it comes to the  yearling open guess what  only  about  800 max  seem to turn up for it   ;D ;D ;D ;D so don't believe  them mate  the big time Charlie's lose  the most :X :X :X

 

 

[REDROCKET]

that figure of 800 goes for nout you could have 50 yearlings but not all ready for the yearling open think we had 16

away and still a few in the loft ! what about you bigda lol