Guest mick bowler Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Apparently the "freedom to reply" is a legal entitlemant within law in the UK and Ireland but not on Pigeon Basics? Legal Complications? Well please do tell? If its proof you need to back up accusations then i'm quite happy to post that up and if he wants to sue me i just hope he has deep pockets. The truth hurts, lets not protect the bad people and make the good people look like bad people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangster Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 prey tell michael whats the story im lost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenlands Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 What's happened Mick ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mick bowler Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 The Ingram & Langton thread was removed, due to accusations aimed at one particular seller of birds, who recently been banned from selling on another site due to the same accusations!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonpete Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Mick with respect, whether truthful or not, i dont think it is right for disscusion on any public forum, it only ends up causing unrest. And needs to be taken up with the rightful person, not for everyone to jump on the bandwagon with an opinion, without knowing any facts, I am in no way defending or sticking up for anyone, And as the thread was regarding a banned member. I decided to take down. What good will it do on here??. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 i am the same please tell Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mick bowler Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Pete, if i put up the facts, like i did eleswhere, they will be taken down, why? Why is someone with a proven bad record of selling being protected? He is currently selling birds on another website, falsely. Although it is nothing to do with this forum do we just stick our head in the sand and say oh well? As a public forum, it will protect its members from being ripped off and conned, he has already been banned from selling on here, so its not like this site does not know his history!! My last post i'm sick of telling the truth and getting labelled the bad man in all this!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I KNOW WHO YOU MEAN NOW TWISTED WEE MAN BAD NEWS HIM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE FIFER Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Pete, if i put up the facts, like i did eleswhere, they will be taken down, why? Why is someone with a proven bad record of selling being protected? He is currently selling birds on another website, falsely. Although it is nothing to do with this forum do we just stick our head in the sand and say oh well? As a public forum, it will protect its members from being ripped off and conned, he has already been banned from selling on here, so its not like this site does not know his history!! My last post i'm sick of telling the truth and getting labelled the bad man in all this!! know your thoughts Mick, but if this member in question has been banned from this site not a lot more we can do, its the other site which is allowing him to carry on that needs the information, and postings to the problem, we have dealt with it, so hopefully we on this forum are not going to fall out over anothers problems, or sort them out on here, thanks for your thoughts and concern, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjc Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 But Fifer, members of this forum buy from the Auction site where birds are for sale but nobody can post the information, so should the members on here not be warned to prevent them being ripped off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE FIFER Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 agree in a way but this thread is about the freedom to reply which a banned member on here cannot do, this is why when posts come up regarding banned members they are moved the only place the freedom of reply could take place is on the site he is not banned from, ,so surely those concerned should let the other site know about him, he is not allowed to sell on here m8, and those on here should know he is banned , or if not will do now, cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjc Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Unfortunatly the site concerned make money from him selling birds and it would not be in there interest to prevent him from doing so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly tom Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Mick Like you i call a spade a spade and it riles me that somebody can try to rip people off.I could have sold a hundred young birds off the parents of the WDA Bourges winner this year but i told people the truth that i did not have the parents in the loft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno1 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Apparently the "freedom to reply" is a legal entitlemant within law in the UK and Ireland but not on Pigeon Basics? Legal Complications? Well please do tell? If its proof you need to back up accusations then i'm quite happy to post that up and if he wants to sue me i just hope he has deep pockets. The truth hurts, lets not protect the bad people and make the good people look like bad people. The Ingram & Langton thread was removed, due to accusations aimed at one particular seller of birds, who recently been banned from selling on another site due to the same accusations!! Firstly, these accusations as you call them had nothing at all to do with the Ingram & Langton thread, they should not have been on it. Secondly, Pigeonbasics dealt with the person, and he was banned from here. He therefore cannot sell on here, and the members on here are protected. Thirdly, we do not protect anyone that breaks the forum rules, and the proof of that is the ban and removal of the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangster Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Unfortunatly the site concerned make money from him selling birds and it would not be in there interest to prevent him from doing so! and to add the same guys new stock come from the other sites owner does that not tell a story!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Mick we all know the score with him and rightly so others should be warned who do not know what he is up to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mick bowler Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Firstly, these accusations as you call them had nothing at all to do with the Ingram & Langton thread, they should not have been on it. Secondly, Pigeonbasics dealt with the person, and he was banned from here. He therefore cannot sell on here, and the members on here are protected. Thirdly, we do not protect anyone that breaks the forum rules, and the proof of that is the ban and removal of the thread. This will be my last post on this subject!! You are protecting the members, how by showing ignorance of pretending he does not exist now he has been banned? So how many new members have joined this site since he was banned, i'd say hundreds, but what happens if one of these new members then decides to buy on the site he has advertised (as has hapened on another site!)? How do they know any different? There is nothing on this site that says he has a bad name or deceives people! Does this site act of behalf of just its members or for the whole pigeon community? Lets hope it is the latter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 well said Mick the sport is dear enough with out new starters getting ripped off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE FIFER Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 surely what is on this thread is letting all know about it, is it not, and look what is happening we are starting arguments on here which is to save another forum, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanlink Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Trying to bring attention to anything, which you regard as unjustly, is a waste of time. The seller will always win, from the one-man band to the company, money talks louder. Councils do what they want, governments do what they want and pigeon sellers do what they want without re-dress. I now realise that you can fool all of the people all of the time. We bought a loft from a well know loft builder. The quality was shocking, the roof blew off because it only had two nails in it and the service was very bad. We cannot alert others to the company because we cannot afford to. I used to think that word of mouth was strong but I now realise that it actually means nothing, as good advertising is more powerful. At work we recently had a cycle to work scheme. Prior to this work colleagues received many examples of shocking services from a local bike shop yet despite this they still went there when the scheme started due to convenience. Now many are realising their mistake. When they moan about it I just shake my head in disbelief. The BHW may print adverts that are exaggerated or misleading that some may be aware of but will people highlight it? no and what if they do, will they take note? no. There may be pigeon auctioneers who bounce bids of the wall and if it is highlighted at the time by those present in the room, as did really happen, will that be the end of their pigeon career? No. and so on and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjc Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 surely what is on this thread is letting all know about it, is it not, and look what is happening we are starting arguments on here which is to save another forum, This thread only lets those know who are aware of his antic's! Nowhere on this thread has the sellers name been mentioned as, being a banned mamber, that would break site rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 So naming a banned member to protect others who may not be in the know is against site rules, but to name an active member who may be acting in a similar manner is within site rules :-/ :-/ Something isn't quite right here. Surely, as has been mentioned before, we should ALL be protecting each other against these characters for the good of the hobby. I am not intentionally trying to incite an argument or add fuel to the fire, but for the good of the innocent we should all be preventing them from being victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch pied Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Apparently the "freedom to reply" is a legal entitlemant within law in the UK and Ireland but not on Pigeon Basics? Legal Complications? Well please do tell? If its proof you need to back up accusations then i'm quite happy to post that up and if he wants to sue me i just hope he has deep pockets. The truth hurts, lets not protect the bad people and make the good people look like bad people.i would like to see it posted up on the CLUB site,,,,just to have a nosey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev43 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 This will be my last post on this subject!! You are protecting the members, how by showing ignorance of pretending he does not exist now he has been banned? So how many new members have joined this site since he was banned, i'd say hundreds, but what happens if one of these new members then decides to buy on the site he has advertised (as has hapened on another site!)? How do they know any different? There is nothing on this site that says he has a bad name or deceives people! Does this site act of behalf of just its members or for the whole pigeon community? Lets hope it is the latter! i,m a new memebr and would love 2 know who u talkin about for future refs as i dnt think this is fair only ppl who been on here a while knowing and not the innocent new members ,,so that means it,s ok for us 2 get ripped off on other sites cos he banned from this 1 ? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chrisss Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 i,m a new memebr and would love 2 know who u talkin about for future refs as i dnt think this is fair only ppl who been on here a while knowing and not the innocent new members ,,so that means it,s ok for us 2 get ripped off on other sites cos he banned from this 1 ? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ thats exactly what it looks like, he should be named, as a service to all of us ,the only problem could be can the guy sue this site if its allowed to name him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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