PLEASE READ THIS!!

[gangster]

IVE JUST HAD A PHONE CALL AND THINK THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS GONNA  CAUSE BIG TROUBLE.........IM LEAD 2 BELIEVE A WELL KNOWN AND GOOD FLYER  IN MERSEYSIDE WAS UP BEFORE WESTON REGION  FRIDAY IN REGARDS WERE HIS ETS PADS ARE PLACED...THEY ARE PLACED ON AN AVIERY....NOW IM LEAD TO BELIEVE THEY DROP ON 2 IT THEN FLY 2 THE Y/B LOFT..AND THAT WAS CONFIRMED BY PICTURES...BUT APPARENTLY SAID MEMBER WAS GOING TO BE SUSPENDED BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT BROUGHT A BARRISTER AND WON THE CASE AND HAD ALL RESULTS PUT BACK HE HAD WON.......NOW HERES THE QUESTION  BY WINNING HIS CASE DOES THIS OPEN THE DOORS TO PLACE YOUR ETS P[ADS WERE U WANT OR DO YOU FOLLOW RPRA RULES????

[north wales novice-]

perhaps theres a little more to this Mick ?? do we know if his flying distance was to the front of his avairy ?? and if the pads are inside the avairy and that it was up and used before he installed E.T.S ??   andy.

[gangster]

BY ALL ACCOUNTS ON A DIFFERENT LOFT TO THE Y/B 1

[Guest lenwadebob]

IVE JUST HAD A PHONE CALL AND THINK THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS GONNA  CAUSE BIG TROUBLE.........IM LEAD 2 BELIEVE A WELL KNOWN AND GOOD FLYER  IN MERSEYSIDE WAS UP BEFORE WESTON REGION  FRIDAY IN REGARDS WERE HIS ETS PADS ARE PLACED...THEY ARE PLACED ON AN AVIERY....NOW IM LEAD TO BELIEVE THEY DROP ON 2 IT THEN FLY 2 THE Y/B LOFT..AND THAT WAS CONFIRMED BY PICTURES...BUT APPARENTLY SAID MEMBER WAS GOING TO BE SUSPENDED BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT BROUGHT A BARRISTER AND WON THE CASE AND HAD ALL RESULTS PUT BACK HE HAD WON.......NOW HERES THE QUESTION  BY WINNING HIS CASE DOES THIS OPEN THE DOORS TO PLACE YOUR ETS P[ADS WERE U WANT OR DO YOU FOLLOW RPRA RULES????

 

The mind boggles. The obvious first question has to be, on what grounds did the Barrister defend the case to overturn the RPRA ruling  :-/

[BLACK W F]

i thought the pads had to be inside the  loft ;D ;D ;D

[clyde]

should stick to the rules ,rpra

[kirky]

think it would depend on the facts mick, was there a trap on the avery that thay entered if so would be legal

[Guest joe muzz]

JUST SET UP MY ETS AND I FOLLOW ALL THE RPRA RULES

YOU NEED TO AS I WILL JUST LEAD 2 TROUBLE THAE IS

A MEMBER IN EVERY CLUB THAT JUST LOVE TO HAVE A MONE

ABOUT THE ETS JUST BECAUSE THEY DONT YOUS IT.

[Guest lenwadebob]

i thought the pads had to be inside the  loft ;D ;D ;D

 

They are Alan, if the aviary is part of the loft and pads are under the wire on the top of the aviary.

[Guest challengerlofts]

I'm not surprise that one day this ets pads thing will be placed at the house roof. Where the birds used to landed fist before they went in to their lofts.

[Guest bigda]

yep should still  stick to the inside  of the loft where dose it end pads on the transporter

all the chimneys

[gangster]

think it would depend on the facts mick, was there a trap on the avery that thay entered if so would be legal

 

NO ON ANOTHER LOFT APPARENTLEY THEY THEN FLY TO THE Y/B LOFT

[OLDYELLOW]

probably means another change of rules : to place pad wherever you feel the most benifit lol , makes a mockery out of the rules kick him out for ungentlemanly conduct no doubt would sue for breach of human rights cant win !!!!!

[Novice]

The case may depend on the exact wording of the RPRA rule.

If it only mentions "the loft" and not "the loft the birds are racing to" then it is open to interpretation.

[stantheman]

part of my yb pen is an aviary which the ybs trap into via a sputnik so are you telling me its against rules to do this as my ets pad is within the confines of the loft(albeit the loft is an aviary) its petty minded and is just the anti ets brigade trying to muddy the waters, on these assumptions i could put a stall trap on the outside of the aviary and time in and no one would raise an eyebrow, i would imagine a decent barrister would rip the rpra to pieces as theres no consistency in the rules lets just get on with racing and cut the polotics out

[Guest spin cycle]

is this right...... the pads were in an aviary that the ybs landed on before trapping to a different section ? if so.. IMO there is nothing in the rules that prevents this... the aviary constitutes 'part of the loft' albeit not the part they were racing to.

[pjc]

Rules are Rules and there to protect everybody!

It has always been sugested some will twist the rules to suit themselves but i suspect this is more of a case the region bottled it, squeaky bum time!

How many members could afford to take a barrister to a meeting?

[gangster]

is this right...... the pads were in an aviary that the ybs landed on before trapping to a different section ? if so.. IMO there is nothing in the rules that prevents this... the aviary constitutes 'part of the loft' albeit not the part they were racing to.

 

DIFFERENT LOFT

[sammy]

was only a matter of time untill something like this would happen  ??)

[Guest lenwadebob]

is this right...... the pads were in an aviary that the ybs landed on before trapping to a different section ? if so.. IMO there is nothing in the rules that prevents this... the aviary constitutes 'part of the loft' albeit not the part they were racing to.

 

Exactly my point, and although this fancier has manipulated the rules to suit himself. technically he has not broken them. As has been said already a good barrister would rip the RPRA rules to shreds

[Guest spin cycle]

Rules are Rules and there to protect everybody!

It has always been sugested some will twist the rules to suit themselves but i suspect this is more of a case the region bottled it, squeaky bum time!

How many members could afford to take a barrister to a meeting?

 

problem is the rules are so 'leaky'.....in this case the section the pad was in wasn't being raced to but it was still 'the confine of A loft' so its ok.its no good crying foul over antennae position...its to late for that. IMO antennae should be placed wherever the individual fancier thinks they can gain the most

[OLDYELLOW]

rule is ets has to be  within confines of loft or trapping system so if inside avairy it would meet with , think rules should be bird must enter trapping system before can be clocked electronicaly  

[Novice]

 

Exactly my point, and although this fancier has manipulated the rules to suit himself. technically he has not broken them. As has been said already a good barrister would rip the RPRA rules to shreds

 

A very mediocre barrister could rip these rules apart

[Guest spin cycle]

rule is ets has to be  within confines of loft or trapping system so if inside avairy it would meet with , think rules should be bird must enter trapping system before can be clocked electronicaly  

 

the only way i can see it being enforceable is to write the rule something like ' pads should be placed within trapping systems in such a way,that upon timing, the bird may be also be clocked manually'

[pjc]

 

the only way i can see it being enforceable is to write the rule something like ' pads should be placed within trapping systems in such a way,that upon timing, the bird may be also be clocked manually'

 

A bird can be clocked manualy if it flys to you on the lawn, so this wouldn't work either!