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[Guest bigda]

ANYWHERE, BUT NO AT THERE BACK DOOR. WE ARE BIG SOFT GUYS UP HERE WE CAN EATS THIS NO PROBLEM

 

 

MoD wants to dump radioactive waste into Clyde

Exclusive by Rob Edwards Environment Editor

 

Sunday 16 March 2014 THE nuclear bomb and submarine basess at Faslane and Coulport near Helensburgh are seeking permission to increase the amount of radioactive waste they can discharge into the Clyde and the air, the Sunday Herald can reveal.

 

asdsdsadas The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has submitted plans for the Faslane naval dockyard to pour more liquid waste into the Gareloch as the number of UK nuclear subs based there rises from five to 14 by 2019. The waste comes from the subs' reactors and includes radioactive cobalt-60 and tritium.

 

The MoD also wants to keep emitting tritium gas into the atmosphere from the nuclear weapons stored at Coulport on Loch Long. Annual emissions of tritium have doubled between 2008 and 2012, and are expected to rise with the introduction of upgraded warhead designs.

 

Proposals to shift some submarine work to Coulport will also mean radioactive waste being transported by road between the two bases.

 

The MoD said all discharges will be within authorised limits. But critics said the Scottish Environmental Protection Agency (Sepa) and the Scottish Government should crack down on the pollution. Sepa is under pressure to delay giving the go-ahead to the increases until it has been given the tough new statutory powers promised by the Scottish Government last week.

 

In the wake of the MoD's failure to reveal a 2012 radioactive incident at the Vulcan naval reactor in Caithness, the Scottish Environment Minister, Richard Lochhead, last week promised to end the MoD's Crown immunity from regulation on radioactive pollution.

 

"This is not the time for an informal gentleman's agreement," said John Ainslie, co-ordinator of the Scottish Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament. "After being bullied by the MoD at Vulcan, Sepa should wait until the Scottish Parliament gives them full power." Then they should set legally enforceable limits for discharges, he argued.

 

The Sunday Herald reported last week that the Scottish Government planned to send all 14 nuclear-powered submarines - not just those equipped with nuclear warheads - back to England if Scotland votes for independence in September.

 

Glasgow's Green MSP, Patrick Harvie, called on Sepa to challenge the "environmental arrogance" of the MoD. "We must give our regulator the teeth to get stuck in when necessary," he said.

 

Sepa pointed out that under the proposed voluntary letters of agreement with the MoD, high discharge limits for radioactive waste from Faslane and Coulport would come down. But it said that the actual discharges would increase as the number of submarines rose.

 

A spokesman said: "Sepa plans to continue the determination on proposed changes to the existing agreements. Following this determination there is a further consultation period with relevant stakeholders, including Scottish Government, before the final decision to change the agreements."

 

The MoD did not comment on the planned increase in radioactive discharges. It had proposed reducing the discharge limits, said an MoD spokeswoman, who added: "Her Majesty's Naval Base Clyde continues to operate safely and there is no safety risk to the public."

 

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond clarified his remarks about the January 2012 radiation incident at the Vulcan reactor in Caithness, saying he had meant to say there was "no measurable change in the alpha-emitting particulate discharge" from the site. But Sepa said no such discharges were permitted so they should "always be zero".

 

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Edited March 17, 2014 by bigda

[greenlands]

Been dumping it in Cumbria since the 50's,my old man said when they opened Calder Hall,now Sellafield,if it had been any good the Japanese would have kept it instead of dumping it on us.

Electricity was going to be for nothing.

[Guest bigda]

Been dumping it in Cumbria since the 50's,my old man said when they opened Calder Hall,now Sellafield,if it had been any good the Japanese would have kept it instead of dumping it on us.

Electricity was going to be for nothing.

 

shocked to hear of this, when you go for a days fishing in any part of our coast you will find

it hard to catch a fish, most competition from shore, are won with a 8 oz size single fish

like a collie:animatedpigeons:

[Guest chad3646]

shocked to hear of this, when you go for a days fishing in any part of our coast you will find

it hard to catch a fish, most competition from shore, are won with a 8 oz size single fish

like a collie:animatedpigeons:

 

 

you should fish with a fag butt and you might get a smokie

 

or fish with a bone and you might get a dogfish lol

[Guest bigda]

you should fish with a fag butt and you might get a smokie

 

or fish with a bone and you might get a dogfish lol

 

try telling last years shore champion, 8 oz winner for 6 hours fishing 50 contestants

[hotrod]

try telling last years shore champion, 8 oz winner for 6 hours fishing 50 contestants

Fished the Clyde since a wee boy , caught all sorts of fish since , but sadly there ain't many fish left , IMHO it's nothing to do with the subs , it's to do with the amount of seals. , cormorrants they eat all the small fish , the seals take the bigger ones it's not rocket science , just the same as the song bird population , they are in decline. And surprise surprise the bops are on the increase . Equilibrium is needed and I'm afraid it's went too far .

[Guest chad3646]

hotrod i agree with you about the seals and the cormorants, but i think the biggest culprits are the factory ships they hoover up everything large and small and what is not needed for the table it gets made into fish meal

[hotrod]

hotrod i agree with you about the seals and the cormorants, but i think the biggest culprits are the factory ships they hoover up everything large and small and what is not needed for the table it gets made into fish meal

You don't get fishing boats near port Glasgow or Greenock chad , they are further down the Clyde , and believe me there are plenty seals at our bit , the last time I fished next to the container terminal in Greenock , I was there for about 5 hours and never even caught a crab , then up popped a seal about 20 ft out the feker looked as if it was smiling at me . The cormorrants are taking small fry up the river and the others that lead into the Clyde .

[walterboswell59]

You don't get fishing boats near port Glasgow or Greenock chad , they are further down the Clyde , and believe me there are plenty seals at our bit , the last time I fished next to the container terminal in Greenock , I was there for about 5 hours and never even caught a crab , then up popped a seal about 20 ft out the feker looked as if it was smiling at me . The cormorrants are taking small fry up the river and the others that lead into the Clyde .

i know a few guys that caught the crabs down there stewart lol

[hotrod]

i know a few guys that caught the crabs down there stewart lol

Now now wattie , the rats round here run about in packs cause their feert oh the weans .

[walterboswell59]

Now now wattie , the rats round here run about in packs cause their feert oh the weans .

lol

[Guest chad3646]

hotrod the fish have got to come in from the sea to get to port glasgow

[hotrod]

hotrod the fish have got to come in from the sea to get to port glasgow

Well mate as far as I know a lot of fish swim up river to spawn the small fry live in the rivers until big enough then travel out wards not inwards ,I know flounder and plaice do this .

[Guest chad3646]

Well mate as far as I know a lot of fish swim up river to spawn the small fry live in the rivers until big enough then travel out wards not inwards ,I know flounder and plaice do this .

 

 

they obviously came from the sea to go up the river what i am saying is they are being caught at sea by the big factory ships

[hotrod]

they obviously came from the sea to go up the river what i am saying is they are being caught at sea by the big factory ships

I agree .

[walterboswell59]

you could be right chad those ships dont miss many m8 and there getting closer to our shores