tiger Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 Everybody else seems to think I am mental Derek!!! I also think the same
walterboswell59 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 Everybody else seems to think I am mental Derek!!!no we dont dal i agree with you both but its not always the case m8 where as the baskets never wrong
dal2 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 no we dont dal i agree with you both but its not always the case m8 where as the baskets never wrongWalter! Have ye never lost a good pigeon mate? Oot the basket?
dal2 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 why do people breed so many to try breed a good one why dont people go around before the first race and clear out any young ones that dont have these traits there are no proven systems in pigeons only the basket it selects all that you need to knowYe I do clear anything that is not what I want! No stockman in the world would keep anything that is not of the standard they wish??
walterboswell59 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 Walter! Have ye never lost a good pigeon mate? Oot the basket?loads dal and with good backs and great wing condition to but i did not know it was a good pigeon till the basket told me lol
dal2 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 loads dal and with good backs and great wing condition to but i did not know it was a good pigeon till the basket told me lolSo the question is Walter, what went wrong? All i am trying to point out is that breeding loads with no selection process is folly and surely any novice deserves to know that QUANTITY is *expletive removed* all without QUALITY? true?
tiger Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 So the question is Walter, what went wrong? All i am trying to point out is that breeding loads with no selection process is folly and surely any novice deserves to know that QUANTITY is *expletive removed* all without QUALITY? true? :emoticon-0137-clapping: :emoticon-0137-clapping:
walterboswell59 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 So the question is Walter, what went wrong? All i am trying to point out is that breeding loads with no selection process is folly and surely any novice deserves to know that QUANTITY is *expletive removed* all without QUALITY? true?im not saying your wrong dal im saying that thats your opinion to select your birds that way which you have perfected over the years you have kept pigeons a novice has not learned of your opinion so does not know if is right or wrong and the only way he can tell that is race them not fill the loft with untried pigeons with good backs and good wings because if they have no heart and no brain it counts for nothing so my advice to any novice is the race basket will tell you and thats my opinion ive plenty pigeons with good backs that are crap but ive no crap winners and only the basket tells me that so il agree to differ on that part dal
JOHNSEE Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 im not saying your wrong dal im saying that thats your opinion to select your birds that way which you have perfected over the years you have kept pigeons a novice has not learned of your opinion so does not know if is right or wrong and the only way he can tell that is race them not fill the loft with untried pigeons with good backs and good wings because if they have no heart and no brain it counts for nothing so my advice to any novice is the race basket will tell you and thats my opinion ive plenty pigeons with good backs that are crap but ive no crap winners and only the basket tells me that so il agree to differ on that part dal Walter you say you have plenty pigeons that have good backs,but are crap,to say that you must be basing it on something,also if they are crap why have you not disposed of them?
PIGEONPACKMAN Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 Walter you say you have plenty pigeons that have good backs,but are crap,to say that you must be basing it on something,also if they are crap why have you not disposed of them?You cant tell whats going on in the pigeons head and heart , love for home etc thats why the basket tells no lies , get a good bird with good characteristicd and a good head then you have a good bird, you could have a a bird wigh lesser physical qualitys and a good head it will always come home but it is impossible for it to achieve top performances, just like us humans some are athletes some are interlectuals,its striking a good balance like anything not easy to do.
JOHNSEE Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 You cant tell whats going on in the pigeons head and heart , love for home etc thats why the basket tells no lies , get a good bird with good characteristicd and a good head then you have a good bird, you could have a a bird wigh lesser physical qualitys and a good head it will always come home but it is impossible for it to achieve top performances, just like us humans some are athletes some are interlectuals,its striking a good balance like anything not easy to do. Sorry this was addressed to a comment made by Walter,before I say a bird is crap I must have something to base that on,and I certainly would not keep any bird that I had that opinion of.........
PIGEONPACKMAN Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 Sorry this was addressed to a comment made by Walter,before I say a bird is crap I must have something to base that on,and I certainly would not keep any bird that I had that opinion of.........Sorry didnt aim it at you not used to my new ipad the screens doesnt show much while typing
walterboswell59 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 Walter you say you have plenty pigeons that have good backs,but are crap,to say that you must be basing it on something,also if they are crap why have you not disposed of them?i do that john if there not good racers or good breeders no matter what they look like they go down or i put them down and the basket tells me that sorry im not expert enough to say a bird with a good back must be a good bird if that was the case all the pigeons that get tickets in shows should be champion racers dont think so john anyone who can pick out champion pigeons wthout them being in a basket is very lucky i cant m8 and i would be glad to listen to anyone that can do it always willing to learn john
dwh Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 i understand where you and steve are coming from walter we all have likes and dislikes yes the basket gives the results for your race team selection but how do you judge your stock birds if they not out race team and your buying from a big stud? would you put a brother of your top performer into stock if it was a poor speciman ?
JOHNSEE Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 i do that john if there not good racers or good breeders no matter what they look like they go down or i put them down and the basket tells me that sorry im not expert enough to say a bird with a good back must be a good bird if that was the case all the pigeons that get tickets in shows should be champion racers dont think so john anyone who can pick out champion pigeons wthout them being in a basket is very lucky i cant m8 and i would be glad to listen to anyone that can do it always willing to learn john Walter I would be the first to say after returning to the sport after 20 years I have a lot of catching up to do so my opinions are based on when racing in the 60s/70s it is just what you said in a previous post that you have plenty birds in your loft with strong backs but were crap......now you say they either go down or you put them down then if you do how come you still have them in your loft ?......
walterboswell59 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 i understand where you and steve are coming from walter we all have likes and dislikes yes the basket gives the results for your race team selection but how do you judge your stock birds if they not out race team and your buying from a big stud? would you put a brother of your top performer into stock if it was a poor speciman ?if it breeds winners yes and it does not always follow that if the parents are not specimans the the youngbirds will not be of course we all want the breeders and racers to look the part im just saying all types win and all types can and do breed winners and only the basket tells me that you must race them hard to find them out first then if you want to be selective do so but you have to use the basket to find them out anyone else who can tell us if a birds a champion without racing it please come on and tell us how to do it because thats the only way i know how and thats what im passing on to the novice if anyone knows some secret that can pick them out im sure all of us would like to know not just the novice think we are losing the point here how else would you tell a new start how to find his best birds whithout putting them in a basket for crying out loud
JOHNSEE Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 if it breeds winners yes and it does not always follow that if the parents are not specimans the the youngbirds will not be of course we all want the breeders and racers to look the part im just saying all types win and all types can and do breed winners and only the basket tells me that you must race them hard to find them out first then if you want to be selective do so but you have to use the basket to find them out anyone else who can tell us if a birds a champion without racing it please come on and tell us how to do it because thats the only way i know how and thats what im passing on to the novice if anyone knows some secret that can pick them out im sure all of us would like to know not just the novice think we are losing the point here how else would you tell a new start how to find his best birds whithout putting them in a basket for crying out loud I agree the only way is the basket,I was only pointing out the difference in what you stated in your posts....... P.S. It was nice to see your photograhp in the B.H.W.the other week after a very successful season,hope it continues in 2014....JBC/..
walterboswell59 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 Walter I would be the first to say after returning to the sport after 20 years I have a lot of catching up to do so my opinions are based on when racing in the 60s/70s it is just what you said in a previous post that you have plenty birds in your loft with strong backs but were crap......now you say they either go down or you put them down then if you do how come you still have them in your loft ?......if they dont win a prize in club fed or national by 3 years old i dispose of them m8 good back or not unless there breeding winners all im saying is it is not always fact that a nice pigeon is a good pigeon only the basket can tell us that if anyone else can come on and tell the novices how to pick there birds without putting them in the basket please do so cause thats the only way i know instead of guys who have had doos for years sitting back and spliting hairs with someone trying to help them get on here and tell us all how to do it guys
walterboswell59 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 I agree the only way is the basket,I was only pointing out the difference in what you stated in your posts....... P.S. It was nice to see your photograhp in the B.H.W.the other week after a very successful season,hope it continues in 2014....JBC/..john i didnot disagree with the guys talking about strong backs and good wing condition m8 im saying when your learning the game let the basket be the judge dont know why some has a problem with that m8 and i dont know a better way
JOHNSEE Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 if they dont win a prize in club fed or national by 3 years old i dispose of them m8 good back or not unless there breeding winners all im saying is it is not always fact that a nice pigeon is a good pigeon only the basket can tell us that if anyone else can come on and tell the novices how to pick there birds without putting them in the basket please do so cause thats the only way i know instead of guys who have had doos for years sitting back and spliting hairs with someone trying to help them get on here and tell us all how to do it guys Not sure if what you say is aimed at me,at no time have I said what fanciers should or should not do with their birds,all I have pointed out was the difference stated by you in your posts,now you have added a time limit of three years before you would dispose of bird that has not scored at least club level thats all Iam pointing out......
walterboswell59 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 Not sure if what you say is aimed at me,at no time have I said what fanciers should or should not do with their birds,all I have pointed out was the difference stated by you in your posts,now you have added a time limit of three years before you would dispose of bird that has not scored at least club level thats all Iam pointing out......not at you john was trying to say they dont all win because they have a strong back all shapes and sizes win races and the only way to find winners is race them maybe i could have put it better m8 but thats what i mean
bibendium Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 if they dont win a prize in club fed or national by 3 years old i dispose of them m8 good back or not unless there breeding winners all im saying is it is not always fact that a nice pigeon is a good pigeon only the basket can tell us that if anyone else can come on and tell the novices how to pick there birds without putting them in the basket please do so cause thats the only way i know instead of guys who have had doos for years sitting back and spliting hairs with someone trying to help them get on here and tell us all how to do it gu I have to agree , not all pigeons that breed the goods are nice pigeons, I have a 6 y/o unrung blue cock that I inherited when my dad died , he is known locally a Quasimodo, and if you saw him you would bin him,(as I nearly did when I brought him over) he looks like he has had a stroke , but I knew my old man had kept him for some reason , he breeds 1st class YB,s with different hens a good few of which have gone on to win at club and fed level.
dwh Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 if it breeds winners yes and it does not always follow that if the parents are not specimans the the youngbirds will not be of course we all want the breeders and racers to look the part im just saying all types win and all types can and do breed winners and only the basket tells me that you must race them hard to find them out first then if you want to be selective do so but you have to use the basket to find them out anyone else who can tell us if a birds a champion without racing it please come on and tell us how to do it because thats the only way i know how and thats what im passing on to the novice if anyone knows some secret that can pick them out im sure all of us would like to know not just the novice think we are losing the point here how else would you tell a new start how to find his best birds whithout putting them in a basket for crying out loudFAIR POINT WALTER CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT
walterboswell59 Posted January 19, 2014 Report Posted January 19, 2014 FAIR POINT WALTER CAN'T ARGUE WITH THATyes you can dwh we all have our opinions pal lol
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