Unikon Help.

[demolition man]

We should have all got 1 for nothing from Unikon. I had a problem last year at the SNFC clocks where a member had a champ with no pocket clock and I had to borrow a radio clock marker to ring it off.

 

All i do when a member as no pocket clock, is remove the club base from the ring master then replace with the members base and print off there times where do you plug the radio clock, do you have a picture please Williedoo

[Williedoo]

 

All i do when a member as no pocket clock, is remove the club base from the ring master then replace with the members base and print off there times where do you plug the radio clock, do you have a picture please Williedoo

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[demolition man]

I was speaking to Unikon today regarding a members clock, and at the same time asked them to confirm how i was doing our result.

 

Here is the problem:

 

theres 2 ets systems set up at marking (system a & system b )

 

system a is set at 1.00pm

 

system b is set at 1.02pm(operator error).

 

member puts his birds through system a (clock set at 1.00pm)

 

after the race member puts his clock through system b.

 

on his print out it shows

 

set time 1:00:00

flyers clock 1:00:00

 

strike time 6:00:00

flyers clock 6:02:00

 

Now the problem i have is, do i leave the arrival times as they are printed. Or do i add 2 minutes onto the times.

 

Unikon didnt really have a clue but tried to give an explanation, and confused me in the process.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

alex

 

Alex

If you were using any other type of clock the members clock would open up 2 mins fast, so I see no difference why you would not treat this situation the same, I would say if anything the fancier would get 2 mins off his/her time,

[demolition man]

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Why do unikon give you lads a different marker base then? that would be my question to unikon

[Williedoo]

Alex

 

If you were using any other type of clock the members clock would open up 2 mins fast, so I see no difference why you would not treat this situation the same, I would say if anything the fancier would get 2 mins off his/her time,

The thing is the clock wasn't 2mins fast realy it was correct, it was the club base station that was 2 min out and when the bird timed the clock was correct and that is the time that will show on the printout.

[Williedoo]

To put it another way, if the clock had been struck off on the correct base station it would not be showing it is fast it would be showing correct.

But the time the bird was clocked would be the same time (it will not change) on both.

So if the correct base station was used to start with the arrival time shown would have been exactly the same as the one that is 2mins out.

[greenlands]

To put it another way, if the clock had been struck off on the correct base station it would not be showing it is fast it would be showing correct.

But the time the bird was clocked would be the same time (it will not change) on both.

So if the correct base station was used to start with the arrival time shown would have been exactly the same as the one that is 2mins out.

 

More confusion ?

So what you are saying Willie,all the clocks that went out and were synchronised with base station B are infact wrong,ie.two minutes fast ?

The clocks would read the time the pigeon arrived but obviously two minutes later than they would have been had the clock been set correctly.

I think it's time that someone purchased a gps/radio clock and the error would not occur again.?

[PIGEON_MAN]

The thing is the clock wasn't 2mins fast realy it was correct, it was the club base station that was 2 min out and when the bird timed the clock was correct and that is the time that will show on the printout.

Surely both club base stations were set by tim or another system so although one was set two minutes later they both had the correct time showing on them not two minutes out so the actually time the bird was clocked is the correct time,it does not matter that the one master timer was set 2 mins.different it was still the correct time,so as long as the guy puts the time of setting down and the time of checking off down when he does the result the correct variation and flying time will be on the result.

[demolition man]

The thing is the clock wasn't 2mins fast realy it was correct, it was the club base station that was 2 min out and when the bird timed the clock was correct and that is the time that will show on the printout.

 

So are we saying that this clock is the only clock struck off on master B that is showing a variation

[Williedoo]

More confusion ?

So what you are saying Willie,all the clocks that went out and were synchronised with base station B are infact wrong,ie.two minutes fast ?

The clocks would read the time the pigeon arrived but obviously two minutes later than they would have been had the clock been set correctly.

I think it's time that someone purchased a gps/radio clock and the error would not occur again.?

Going by the first post it was only the one clock (which was set on the club base station( A )that was reading the correct time) that was struck off on the club base station ( B )that was SET 2mins fast and still reading 2 mins fast at clock checking (which makes it correct as far as the velocity goes for the clocks that were struck on and checked on it).

So all the clocks that were struck on and off on base station B will have the correct velocity.

The one that was set on base station (A) ( which was set correct ), this clock would be showing the correct time when the bird was clocked but was then rung off on a DIFFERENT base station B that was 2 MINS OUT.

So the clock is showing correct times on all counts it is base station(B)that is 2mins out,there fore the clock should be read as correct and no variation will come into it.

[PIGEON_MAN]

So on the first post where it says system b set at 13.02 operator error does he mean the clock was set 2 mins fast or was 13.02 the correct time,if it was set 2 mins fast then this will make a lot of difference to the debate.

[Williedoo]

So on the first post where it says system b set at 13.02 operator error does he mean the clock was set 2 mins fast or was 13.02 the correct time,if it was set 2 mins fast then this will make a lot of difference to the debate.

We strike our Unikon base station on with a Master Timer,so the strike time was 13.00 but the clock setter made a mistake with the base station pre setting the time at 13.02, when the masters time reaches 13.00 you press a button on the base station which starts the time in this case was 13.02 instead of 13.00. Which meant it was started 2 mins fast.

[PIGEON_MAN]

We strike our Unikon base station on with a Master Timer,so the strike time was 13.00 but the clock setter made a mistake with the base station pre setting the time at 13.02, when the masters time reaches 13.00 you press a button on the base station which starts the time in this case was 13.02 instead of 13.00. Which meant it was started 2 mins fast.

O.K. so that means all clocks set on that system would be reading 2 minutes fast at setting,if one of the members clocking sheet said he clocked in at say 15.02 this infact would be 2 minutes off the correct time so really he clocked at 15.00,therefore any members whose clock was set on that system should have that 2 minutes taken off all their clockings.

[Joe_b]

I have radio clock we bought for our club ets system if I use radio clock before marking then on fri night before strick off race on sat I get 100% correct clocks but ive done a race just using current time and notice all strick times on fri night are correct then againg on sat after race there 2 seconds diff so now I use radio clock and strick off base station before marking and before strick off on a sat

[Williedoo]

O.K. so that means all clocks set on that system would be reading 2 minutes fast at setting,if one of the members clocking sheet said he clocked in at say 15.02 this infact would be 2 minutes off the correct time so really he clocked at 15.00,therefore any members whose clock was set on that system should have that 2 minutes taken off all their clockings.

Yes, the correct clocking time would be 15.00 but that makes no difference to the velocity as the flying time is the same.

[greenlands]

It will make a difference to the velocity,the flying time is not the same,it's 2 minutes less.

The clock doesn't know what time the pigeons are liberated irrespective of the clock being set wrong.

[PIGEON_MAN]

Yes, the correct clocking time would be 15.00 but that makes no difference to the velocity as the flying time is the same.

I,m afraid it will,if the birds were liberated at 12.00 flying time would be 3 hours 2 mins by the guy that had his clock set on system b,but infact the flying time should be 3 hours because of the clock being set 2 minutes wrong.

[PIGEON_MAN]

I was speaking to Unikon today regarding a members clock, and at the same time asked them to confirm how i was doing our result.

 

Here is the problem:

 

theres 2 ets systems set up at marking (system a & system b )

 

system a is set at 1.00pm

 

system b is set at 1.02pm(operator error).

 

member puts his birds through system a (clock set at 1.00pm)

 

after the race member puts his clock through system b.

 

on his print out it shows

 

set time 1:00:00

flyers clock 1:00:00

 

strike time 6:00:00

flyers clock 6:02:00

 

Now the problem i have is, do i leave the arrival times as they are printed. Or do i add 2 minutes onto the times.

 

Unikon didnt really have a clue but tried to give an explanation, and confused me in the process.

 

Any help is much appreciated.

 

alex

Think this as confused quite a few people,how did you overcome this to work out your result.

[demolition man]

After having a think about this would the birds arrival time as on the print out not be the true time of the birds arrival as the clock did not go 2 mins out over a period of time but at checking.

 

Its not the members clock that is wrong its the master! the master is now two minutes slow, the only reason i can see this happing is because the master was now set correct manually on strike off night and if all clocks are printed off using this master the variation should be used as printed and the result will be correct. you cant be giving correct times to some members times just because you believe this to be correct, there is clearly a 2 min difference between master and members clock that variation needs to be calculated. JMO

[Williedoo]

I,m afraid it will,if the birds were liberated at 12.00 flying time would be 3 hours 2 mins by the guy that had his clock set on system b,but infact the flying time should be 3 hours because of the clock being set 2 minutes wrong.

Sorry,I thought you ment the clocks that were set and checked on base station B,they would have the wrong actual clock in time it would be 2mins out although the velocity would be correct.

[Williedoo]

Birds Lib 08.30hrs Pos Name club AFT Clocked Distance Bird Velocity 1) J.Blogs SB 00.58.00 09.28.00 75m1105y Vel 2294.914 2) J.Blogs SB 00.58.00 09.30.00 75m11o5y Vel 2294.914 1)Set 18.30.00 – 18.30.00 Opened 13.11.00 – 13.11.00 2)Set 18.32.00 – 18.30.00 Opened 13.13.00 – 13.11.00 Have a look at the clock in times thought that is what you ment.

[alex wight]

I,m glad i,m not the only one going mad lol. As williedoo says, it wasnt the clock that went fast or slow, it was the base station that was set wrong. I agree that the timings should be treated as true and no variation should be applied. If they went through the same marker to strike off as they did being marked, then their clocks would be true. But because the other base station was 2 minutes out, its the base station thats wrong and not the clock. Unikon couldnt give me a convincing answer, that is why everything is confusing. Ive had 4 different senarios, and not a clue how to deal with the result. One thing for sure is that a change on how things are done at the marking station needs to be looked at, as this is going backwards and not forwards.

 

thanks for all your replies, but i,m even more confused, and i think i,m well clued up on the system lol lol