Natural Youngbirds

[anto b]

hello all , i will be racing youngbirds natural , looking for some advice on a feeding plan

from when weaning through to training then racing ?

 

thanks for any replies ,

 

anthony

[peter pandy]

By the looks of all the replies fanciers dont do that system any more and have forgoten how it used to be now that darkness young birds are the done thing, However I will educate you on racing natural young birds. Can you elaborate a little as regards have you paired up yet as only fools breed at this time of year. TIC..

[anto b]

Tnx for the reply , raced before in my teenage years starting back after a 10 year break.

Hoping to have 30 / 35 yb's , not to worried about results for the moment , just hoping to have a

small experienced team of yearlings for 2014 , would like to know wat type of mix to be feeding

etc ?

tnx again for tsking the time to reply

[gulkie]

If I can get my 2ps worth in whatever feeding you decide to use do not keep them hungry

Consecrate on them trapping even when not hungry feed them by hand use a flapper they

Love company when they come home the feeding there are so many on the market I use

Versal Laga all season not a lot of maize .

and that does my needs remember they are only a young bird for 1 year of their

Lives and long memories handle them gently and you will have 4 or5 years good racing of

Them, they will make mistakes don't be to quick to condem them omo .and good luck

[Guest strapper]

i can only add what works for me, although some would say ..id never do that..so here goes.

 

to start with...

get your birds to know you...not the other way round...if you win over their trust your onto something .

i always in good weather have the birds out around me..usually im sat on the floor out in the garden with them picking up tit bits i give them..some rice uncooked or peanuts or even some small seed.

let them come to you not you to them..for the 1st few times keep them hungry(dont mean starve them) so they will come to feed freely out of your hand when they emerge out of the loft.

keep taking to them,best to keep using a word they remember.

i train mine 2-3 times a week ..but only 15-20mls.

my birds are out morning and night if i have time.

 

i feed a cheap farm high protein economy mix..mixed with some bits and pieces from time to time.

peanuts are given freely and plentyful..infact loads..(something that some wouldnt do)but i do and its works for me.

reminder...get the birds to know you!!

racebirds are left to pair for themselves and if one wants to nest on the floor then so be it..they tend to protect the ybs and nest a lot better.

 

i never use darkness..never have.

all are treated for the usual problems .

[Guest lambrechts31]

By the looks of all the replies fanciers dont do that system any more and have forgoten how it used to be now that darkness young birds are the done thing, However I will educate you on racing natural young birds. Can you elaborate a little as regards have you paired up yet as only fools breed at this time of year. TIC..

THERE MUST BE A LOT OF FOOLS ON HERE THEN, AS THERE A LOT OF GUYS STARTED BREEDING, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU KEEP YOUR OPINION,S TO YOURSELF THANKS VERY MUCH :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

[peter pandy]

THERE MUST BE A LOT OF FOOLS ON HERE THEN, AS THERE A LOT OF GUYS STARTED BREEDING, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU KEEP YOUR OPINION,S TO YOURSELF THANKS VERY MUCH :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

TIC.. OPINIONS !! If we all kept our opinions to ourselves their would not be a forum.

[buster151]

your entitled to your opinion, I'm sure if you tried you could give it without calling people fools its called choice

[peter pandy]

your entitled to your opinion, I'm sure if you tried you could give it without calling people fools its called choice

Aye and it was my choice of words Tongue In Cheek..

[blaz]

By the looks of all the replies fanciers dont do that system any more and have forgoten how it used to be now that darkness young birds are the done thing, However I will educate you on racing natural young birds. Can you elaborate a little as regards have you paired up yet as only fools breed at this time of year. TIC..

 

as you have pointed out only fools breed yb,s at this time .that is a bit over the top.your going to educate on racing yb,s look forward to readng this and the results that this helps the yb,s do . as i fly natural yb,s and old birds

[andyyy]

By the looks of all the replies fanciers dont do that system any more and have forgoten how it used to be now that darkness young birds are the done thing, However I will educate you on racing natural young birds. Can you elaborate a little as regards have you paired up yet as only fools breed at this time of year. TIC..

 

How it makes someone a fool for pairing up early ill never know, If it was the case then there are alot of fools on here and in many of clubs, People pair up early because it works, and they use darkness again because it works.

By using methods that work are not even foolish in any way.

You been stuck in the 80's is alot more foolish than people pairing up early!

[Guest lambrechts31]

TIC.. OPINIONS !! If we all kept our opinions to ourselves their would not be a forum.

YOUR ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION, BUT LEAVE INSULTS OUT OF IT :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

[buster151]

apart from the insult which is nothing to do with the question asked he hasn't even given an answer

[demolition man]

By the looks of all the replies fanciers dont do that system any more and have forgoten how it used to be now that darkness young birds are the done thing, However I will educate you on racing natural young birds. Can you elaborate a little as regards have you paired up yet as only fools breed at this time of year. TIC..

 

I am one of those fools you speak about: , but i do think you have a point: :emoticon-0137-clapping: what with the cost of food time etc: , do we get any more out of pigeons if we breed early probly not: , and before you say why did you a pair early i supply more than one loft with my stock:

[anto b]

thanks to all for the answers , much appreciated

 

can i just add silly arguments between fanciers

dont help novices at all , all it does is puts

people off asking more questions

[peter pandy]

Perhaps fool was used in the wrong context by myself and perhaps "if you will allow me" to replace it with "foolish in my opinion".

Yes I am stuck in the 80s when there was 5 times the number of fanciers and 5 times the number of birds sent and I could more than hold my own.

I was never able to understand why fanciers decided the darkness system was superior to natural young bird racing as I have proved on countless occasions that it is not. The cost in winter rearing must be astronomical in lighting and feeding say 30 young birds for 3 months of the year when you dont have to equates to 96Kgs of feed plus the cost of dimmer switches and electricity. Now for me I would be foolish to even contemplate such an expensive system that produces nothing. I will not go down the line where losses are allegedly greater with darkness nor quality of racing allegedly diminishes with old birds.

[andyyy]

Perhaps fool was used in the wrong context by myself and perhaps "if you will allow me" to replace it with "foolish in my opinion".

Yes I am stuck in the 80s when there was 5 times the number of fanciers and 5 times the number of birds sent and I could more than hold my own.

I was never able to understand why fanciers decided the darkness system was superior to natural young bird racing as I have proved on countless occasions that it is not. The cost in winter rearing must be astronomical in lighting and feeding say 30 young birds for 3 months of the year when you dont have to equates to 96Kgs of feed plus the cost of dimmer switches and electricity. Now for me I would be foolish to even contemplate such an expensive system that produces nothing. I will not go down the line where losses are allegedly greater with darkness nor quality of racing allegedly diminishes with old birds.

 

Well, Most people i know fly ybs on darkness, Early bred ybs at that too. With doing this they have had great results. So your opinion of early bred ybs comes down to money and thats it.

As for loses with ybs, It's not about when they was bred, if they was on darkness and whatever, It all boils down to schooling, If a yb is well trained, and fit and healthy you shouldn't go far wrong with it.

Last year i bred 50 ybs, had a shocking yb toss which ended up me loosing one yb. I flew the entire yb season, Disposed of a few and still had 41 in loft at the end of the racing season. They was on darkness and it helped them. 2010, I wasn't on darkness, they didn't want to know about racing half of them couldn't compeat with they fully feathered darkness young birds which other club members was flying.

[buster151]

thanks to all for the answers , much appreciated

 

can i just add silly arguments between fanciers

dont help novices at all , all it does is puts

people off asking more questions

 

I totally agree