scotland?england

[Roland]

 

I remember the interview where Andy Murray made the comment he dont care who England plays as long as the opponents win and then in 2006 (i think it was) he was pictured wearing the shirts of Englands opponents and again cheering them on - So if any of my comments are deemed racist then so should his be.

 

Its nothing against the Scots i have met some fantastic people throughout the years from Scotland, mainly through the pigeons including one of my mentors the late Jim Smith of Prestonpans and also people i have met through the Internet who i speak to on a regular basis so my comments are based on Andy Murray who to me might as well be from Swaziland.

 

Agree 100

 

 

 

Mind have been in company of many Scots, many times when England have been playing against foriegn teams, still to hear them cheer England on... Where as at least the English will support any other British in same circumstances.

Probablem is unfortunately us English always have something great to cheer, sing about where as....  ;D ;D ;D

 

 

 

[Roland]

What a miserable set of gits you are. Give credit where it's due. I think a lot of you have been reading the gutter press to come up with attitudes like that. Knock, Knock, Knock. A lot of you suport foriegn owned football teams with mostly foriegn players who are taking the money they make from the game out of the country, and that's OK. It does not matter that they are preventing our own youth from learning and developing. At least Murray is a proper Brit. and he has got to the top of his sport. How many of you are at the top of your sport?

I doubt if any of you have ever trained for anything as hard as Murray. So you are in no position to criticise something you could not and would not do.  

 

Sorry owen this is not true... and I have for one trained every bit as hard for my fame.

And any decent footballer, cricket etc. etc. that is / has / or shown potiential is quickly looked up and catered for.... Futher given any and every support. Just Me!

 

[hotrod]

i right rollie and the english support scotland when they play another nation , so they do .Its a fact that when a scot wins something he's a brit ,but if he losses he' a scot. If an english man/woman wins something their always english and if they lose they are a brit this is fact.(take the blinkers off)

[Guest]

 

 

If Scotland were not in competition and England were,then i would like England to win.Football wise yous are the biggest bunch of under achievers the world has every seen with the players at your disposal.Think the problem with a lot of folk supporting England in these circumstances is that yous harp on about it for thirty years, and its bad enough having to listen to your commentators talking crap constantly and yous have not won anything.We can all imagine how bad it would be if yous actually did win. ;D ;D ;D

[Roland]

You know, for a Fact there are, and has been, and undoubtedly will be many more GREAT Scots that have had me up and screaming with every ounze in me, supporting them when they are doing well. Even in the last Olympics. And just to put things in the right prospective, just WHO do you think supplied all the VOTES FOR Chris Hoy to win the BBC personality award :-/ :-/ :-/ Mostly the English, otherwise there wouldn't have been enough votes in the other british votes to have won! Fact.

Are we forgetting just a few short years back ... In the days of Coe, Ovett Cram, and many more English, we were yelling our heads off for  Liz McGloclin, Murry, and that great scot Alan Wells. Plus one or two like Tom... in the 1500 metres etc.

Rafferty!!! Great, still cheered Ian Stuart on - though he was another than went for England first before changing to run for Scotland, and fair play to him.  How about when he led i the 5000 European and stopped in the third lane and made others take a turn to lead, and left them standing at the end... Beat Kip Kieno.... Does one really think that any English sportsmen weren't on their feet cheering him on every inch of the way!!!! Flipping time a little decency was returned here doesn't one think? Instead of the selfish bleating and decrying when an English sportsman / women does well and be a bit more like the ENGLISH and give fair play and merit when deserved!!! Some should be ashamed with their endless cries of bemoaning! Give over! Gordon Bennet, I think in reality the other sportmens in the UK are far better cheered on and appreciated tham by most in their own ciuntry!

[hotrod]

THE LOCAL BOOKIES UP HERE HAVE A BET WHEN ENGLAND PLAY ON HOW MANY SECONDS IT TAKES THE COMENTATOR TO MENTION 1966, IT'S ALWAYS ODDS ON BETWEEN 1 SECOND AND 10 SECONDS , AND EVERBODY LINES THERE POCKETS , ITS THE BEST BET IN THE WORLD

[Roland]

 

If Scotland were not in competition and England were,then i would like England to win.Football wise yous are the biggest bunch of under achievers the world has every seen with the players at your disposal.Think the problem with a lot of folk supporting England in these circumstances is that yous harp on about it for thirty years, and its bad enough having to listen to your commentators talking crap constantly and yous have not won anything.We can all imagine how bad it would be if yous actually did win. ;D ;D ;D

 

Sadly Vince you's have acheived a lot lot less, and even had the gall to blame England in the 98 Euro for only beating holland 4 to 1 when another goal would have got you's through! Yes we would have loved you to get through too! Was in the 70's when you last got into the World cup final. When was it before that.

And never mind about our numbers. Just look at some of the world class players you have had in them and over years... Sadly even with some great Scottish manager, and Tommy Dochety was certainly one as far as I am concerned, you have never been able to play as a team! GREAT individuals...

 

[Guest]

 

You could argue until recently that Spain were the biggest set of under achievers.

 

England have had the words best football leauge for a number of years now,with some of the worlds best players and still won nowt as a nation.

[Guest chrisss]

 

If Scotland were not in competition and England were,then i would like England to win.Football wise yous are the biggest bunch of under achievers the world has every seen with the players at your disposal.Think the problem with a lot of folk supporting England in these circumstances is that yous harp on about it for thirty years, and its bad enough having to listen to your commentators talking crap constantly and yous have not won anything.We can all imagine how bad it would be if yous actually did win. ;D ;D ;D

 

this is very sadly true [and i am english,sort of ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D]

[Guest]

 

Sadly Vince you's have acheived a lot lot less, and even had the gall to blame England in the 98 Euro for only beating holland 4 to 1 when another goal would have got you's through! Yes we would have loved you to get through too! Was in the 70's when you last got into the World cup final. When was it before that.

And never mind about our numbers. Just look at some of the world class players you have had in them and over years... Sadly even with some great Scottish manager, and Tommy Dochety was certainly one as far as I am concerned, you have never been able to play as a team! GREAT individuals...

Difference being we don't have the players at our disposal that yous have,we don't expect to win.While on the other hand with the players yous have got you should have won something by now.

 

[Roland]

 

 

England have had the words best football leauge for a number of years now,with some of the worlds best players and still won nowt as a nation.

 

So :-/ :-/ had yes men as managers too... last one that wasn't was ramsey... they clouted and maimed him till they got him out. Other Great would be managers that didnae fit. Jack Charlton... and Cloughie of course... Both wanted to do it their way and BOTH want the top league to close Saturday before. Then we have had others, even recently that would be great motivators and managers as far as I'm concern, Like Martin O'niel first class... not a yes man, dour and very honest. Big Sam and Harry perhaps.... but now have one that isn't a yes man, nor a sqeaky smiler, so may well do better.

[Guest]

 

 

Yes but having the best league full of foreign players dont help much does it.

 

Even i could pick a team of English players that are playing today that are capable,Problem is yous keep picking the wrong man for the job.Last time Martin oneil wanted the job if i am right yous picked steve mclaren. :-/ :-/ :-/

[Roland]

Not a lot od difference now betwen our prem and the SPL. most have a few foriegn players etc. and many have the money.

[Guest]

 

England have had the words best football leauge for a number of years now,with some of the worlds best players and still won nowt as a nation.

 

So :-/ :-/ had yes men as managers too... last one that wasn't was ramsey... they clouted and maimed him till they got him out. Other Great would be managers that didnae fit. Jack Charlton... and Cloughie of course... Both wanted to do it their way and BOTH want the top league to close Saturday before. Then we have had others, even recently that would be great motivators and managers as far as I'm concern, Like Martin O'niel first class... not a yes man, dour and very honest. Big Sam and Harry perhaps.... but now have one that isn't a yes man, nor a sqeaky smiler, so may well do better.

agree martin oneil was the man for the job,Harry rednap is also worth a chance.When yous get this right yous will win a major competision,god help us all. ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Owen]

I can'nt see how you English are going to achieve in any sport if you carry on knocking instead of suporting. Of course the other problem you have is your preoccupation with money. A lot of your football clubs are only connected to England by the location of the ground. There is very little else that's English about them. I hear people talking on the talk radio and speaking about "Our team" and "We did this", and "We did that". What a joke. We have out problems with rugby union but our teams and ownership are mostly Welsh. And it adds something to the game when you know the lads who are playing. Perhaps that is the benefit of living in a small country. By the way, Ryan Giggs and Michael Owen are definately Welsh by any test you can think of. It is just that Michael Owen wanted the money and glory of playing for England. When you see all the players that England have available, it seems sad that they needed to poach him.

[Roland]

Didn't poach him... Also, at the time deffinately We were short of a left footer to fill the gap that Ryan fills so well for both Club - yes admitted he has more than a few role at club level now - his country.

When again we talk of Greats The Cherles Brothers are up there with the best... Ok they were the leaders of Follow the money, Juventa's  Leeds, Arsenal etc. But both were great Ambassadors also. Now MANY Welshmen, and do, play top flight in England, as do and did, many Scots!!! :-/ :-/ Now are they reverved or slagged off??? :-/ :-/ :-/ No!

And Liverpool, like Celtic and Rangers have prospered because of 'Outside' Players.

Daglish is one of the best ever... never mind a Scot. We (English) squabbled over his autograth when a chance to get it. Law, Mcilroy, Baker etc. etc. Did that make England's sides better! :-/ Or do w get called for having the likes in our sides!!!

[Guest G.Drysdale + son]

Euro 96 & France 98 Get your facts right   :P

 

Sadly Vince you's have acheived a lot lot less, and even had the gall to blame England in the 98 Euro for only beating holland 4 to 1 when another goal would have got you's through! Yes we would have loved you to get through too! Was in the 70's when you last got into the World cup final. When was it before that.

And never mind about our numbers. Just look at some of the world class players you have had in them and over years... Sadly even with some great Scottish manager, and Tommy Dochety was certainly one as far as I am concerned, you have never been able to play as a team! GREAT individuals...

 

 

[Guest strapper]

I can'nt see how you English are going to achieve in any sport if you carry on knocking instead of suporting. Of course the other problem you have is your preoccupation with money. A lot of your football clubs are only connected to England by the location of the ground. There is very little else that's English about them. I hear people talking on the talk radio and speaking about "Our team" and "We did this", and "We did that". What a joke. We have out problems with rugby union but our teams and ownership are mostly Welsh. And it adds something to the game when you know the lads who are playing. Perhaps that is the benefit of living in a small country. By the way, Ryan Giggs and Michael Owen are definately Welsh by any test you can think of. It is just that Michael Owen wanted the money and glory of playing for England. When you see all the players that England have available, it seems sad that they needed to poach him.

 

owen you forgot to mention owen hargraves(man utd)..played for wales till he was picked for the senior side of england

 

 

[Guest Paulo]

Im not a sports man myself and am not realy into sports football rugby cycling running etc. Apart from pigeon racing and country sports. So why is it when a scot win's a sport hes a GB, and not a scot. But when an englishman wins something hes english and not GB ?????

 

cause we like claiming credit off you lot

[Roland]

 

  Well Owen, in that case, just why is it that we have  done so much?  :-/ Indeed if we have done so little just where is the problem and how come the knockers?  :-/ :-/

From Lynn Davies to Euan Thomas.... then that great little Cyclist Crook that won the first GB Gold 2008 medal for us, yes she was Welsh, and MENTIONED- quite rightly - every time that she was Welsh!. You haven't had much to shout about now have you!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

The English even did a documentary on her on TV IN England! Showing how she'd fulfilled her promise etc. ...  but in between we start scratching our heads....

Yes I met many great Rugby Welsh players, especially in 1966. And you know, the only two S**T Heads were WELSH in regards attending that terrible Aberfan disaster. That Aberfan Disaster where on the 21 October 1966, 144 people, 116 of them children, were killed when a tip of coal waste slid onto the village of Aberfan in ... Terrible!

Yes two well known Crap Heads, One wouldn’t come because he wasn't offered enough :-/ :o... 20 mile trip (Same week - end the tax man took his Rolls Royce car till he paid what he owed... and what he'd fiddled... (Now two Englishmen went to prison for same thing) and one Welsh person that charged £600 to come 30 miles expenses! In 1966! A fortune.

Sportsmen and Women, and Entertainers mobbed the place. And you know what! 66% or more were English, giving up their’ time, and like other paying Gigs to be there!

We more than rallied around. I boxed against Wales 3 times in two weeks. And I also did a special return to the Ocean Club Swansea later, where I topped the bill for a great fellow that own it, where again the funds went to that terrible disaster!

And you know what, it would, as it should be, exactly the same today!

Never mind lost wages, time out etc. we went and quite rightly so go and attend!... yet it was many of your’ own that didn't wouldn’t attend!

Further, I'm proud to be English, and proud also to be British, to be a part of Great Britain, and I support each and everyone of the home nations regardless, except of course when they are playing against England. Now like many other English persons do, and that's the facts.

Sure I love the ribbing and having a dig etc. But with us, and many of the other nations it is in good fun. Unfortunately there is also another minority that are bitter, and envious etc. that are nasty with it! That’s and wish us well. That is the sad and pathetic part.

[Guest strapper]

  Well Owen, in that case, just why is it that we have  done so much?  :-/ Indeed if we have done so little just where is the problem and how come the knockers?  :-/ :-/

From Lynn Davies to Euan Thomas.... then that great little Cyclist Crook that won the first GB Gold 2008 medal for us, yes she was Welsh, and MENTIONED- quite rightly - every time that she was Welsh!. You haven't had much to shout about now have you!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

The English even did a documentary on her on TV IN England! Showing how she'd fulfilled her promise etc. ...  but in between we start scratching our heads....

Yes I met many great Rugby Welsh players, especially in 1966. And you know, the only two S**T Heads were WELSH in regards attending that terrible Aberfan disaster. That Aberfan Disaster where on the 21 October 1966, 144 people, 116 of them children, were killed when a tip of coal waste slid onto the village of Aberfan in ... Terrible!

Yes two well known Crap Heads, One wouldn’t come because he wasn't offered enough :-/ :o... 20 mile trip (Same week - end the tax man took his Rolls Royce car till he paid what he owed... and what he'd fiddled... (Now two Englishmen went to prison for same thing) and one Welsh person that charged £600 to come 30 miles expenses! In 1966! A fortune.

Sportsmen and Women, and Entertainers mobbed the place. And you know what! 66% or more were English, giving up their’ time, and like other paying Gigs to be there!

We more than rallied around. I boxed against Wales 3 times in two weeks. And I also did a special return to the Ocean Club Swansea later, where I topped the bill for a great fellow that own it, where again the funds went to that terrible disaster!

And you know what, it would, as it should be, exactly the same today!

Never mind lost wages, time out etc. we went and quite rightly so go and attend!... yet it was many of your’ own that didn't wouldn’t attend!

Further, I'm proud to be English, and proud also to be British, to be a part of Great Britain, and I support each and everyone of the home nations regardless, except of course when they are playing against England. Now like many other English persons do, and that's the facts.

Sure I love the ribbing and having a dig etc. But with us, and many of the other nations it is in good fun. Unfortunately there is also another minority that are bitter, and envious etc. that are nasty with it! That’s and wish us well. That is the sad and pathetic part.

 

 

roland m8  it was nichole cooke   the cyclist.

 

if you add the dates of the aberfan disaster together    21 10 1966<<count the 19 then 66 and not as 1966...you will come up with the number of how many children died 116...strange how it works out.

 

[Roland]

Was terrible, Was often not a dry eye to be seen. Many speeches cut short, and many not able to carry through.

I never have really forgiven the ones that Wouldn't attend, or that £600 'Expences' bill. Met up a few time with that one but... I was on £6 50 a week as a Department manager for tesco's... never did pay good wages back then. That was nearly 2 years of my wages. I was given leave on faull pay actually by the Store manager. Still that's all by and by, but etched in our memories.

I worked Wales a lot up till about three year ago doing Charity work. Great nights, after you get there lol. As soon as they heard my voice asking for directions, why boyo they often sent us on a wild goose chase lol.

[Guest spin cycle]

not wanting to take sides. but i think england is the best sporting nation in the world. football, cricket and 2 codes of rugby...we'd give anybody a good game and no-one could beat us at all 4 ( australia probably 3 but not 4 ) also we play just about every other sport. angus fraser was my favourite cricketer...i presume he was scottish ?

[Guest strapper]

not wanting to take sides. but i think england is the best sporting nation in the world. football, cricket and 2 codes of rugby...we'd give anybody a good game and no-one could beat us at all 4 ( australia probably 3 but not 4 ) also we play just about every other sport. angus fraser was my favourite cricketer...i presume he was scottish ?

 

not wanting to take sides either but there are more then 4 sports ..i think your jumping the gun a bit

 

 

[Guest spin cycle]

 

not wanting to take sides either but there are more then 4 sports ..i think your jumping the gun a bit

 

 

i know strapper...its just the opinion of a part scot / englishman. test cricket used to be my favourite 'til they took it off the telly and i took 'umbridge'. ironically i think vaughan would still be captain if simon jones ( welsh ?) hadn't suffered so many horrible injuries.