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[Roland]

Hundreds of thousands of young people could be stripped of housing benefit and forced to live with their parents as part of a new welfare crackdown signalled by David Cameron.

 

The Prime Minister insisted the system was giving the wrong incentives as he urged more action to prevent feckless families relying on state handouts.

 

The comments, in an interview with the Mail on Sunday, come ahead of a keynote speech on welfare Mr Cameron is due to deliver next week.

 

The measures said to be under consideration include scrapping most of the £1.8 billion in housing benefits paid to 380,000 under 25s, worth an average £90 a week, forcing them to support themselves or live with mum and dad instead.

 

It could also mean stopping the £70-a-week dole payment for individuals who do not try hard enough to get work and forcing a hard core of unemployed to do community work after two years - or lose all their benefits.

 

OK but why doesn't he start putting jobs on the market first instead of throwing thousands out of work every week to make the rich Richer etc. A law that if you had to give up you house you're buying, or get evicted etc. you will still be responsible to pay the interest rates you would have paid. Then con's thousands to become 'Tories' and union haters by compulsory Council house sale, - which money wasn't allowed to build more houses etc. but went to government coffers. Then throws them out of work and puts interests rates up to 18% one time. Consequently 1000's a day lost their homes, which her cronies buy up cheap as 'Housing Associations etc. That is was 1000's declared bankruptcy, the only way out. Thousands were they that went years paying etc.

Instead of the thousand coal miners putting £70 - £100 a week into the coffers she closes pits and steel works for her cronies investing overseas and bring in worst quality goods at higher prices. Besides then having to pay £200 or more out of the Coffers to those forced on the dole.

Like the hospital workers now, the Police losing 34,000 whom instead of paying will be taking out at great costs to us all... well not the millionaires etc. of course.

 

So first off give all the genuine ones a job! Indeed plentiful so one can see those that don't want to work. AND we all know some of those. Then perhaps it will be that one is better of working, than not!

Mind, if he wants to save $billions on these things, he should finger print or something the immigrants that collect dole from 3 or 4 different dole offices. Make a few of the Million empty homes available and no more 4 / 5 families living in one house. Then the Thousands used for cheap labour, he should close the rings down and take away these 'Slaves' from the rich employers who flout the law with his blessings.

Time those that have paid the same percentage of their earnings as the worker does, has too.

Then he can spout from the roof tops in all honesty that he is being realistic and fair!

[knoxjn]

ita just a millionares boys club just like the last time they have no idea hat the normal punter goes through their idea of sticking up for the little guy is picking on a comedian for doing nowt wrong what about about alll his cronies who will be doing a lot worse they are a total disgrace

[tiger]

ita just a millionares boys club just like the last time they have no idea hat the normal punter goes through their idea of sticking up for the little guy is picking on a comedian for doing nowt wrong what about about alll his cronies who will be doing a lot worse they are a total disgrace

they are right make them work for there money gravey train stop,s here good on them ,jmo

[Roland]

Fine Tiger, buit first give them the chance to work, instead of throwing them out of work.

I hope you have the kids and grandchildren to support Tiger when that too won't be able to work, Paid out of you ever degreasing pension lol.

[wee eck]

Hundreds of thousands of young people could be stripped of housing benefit and forced to live with their parents as part of a new welfare crackdown signalled by David Cameron.

 

The Prime Minister insisted the system was giving the wrong incentives as he urged more action to prevent feckless families relying on state handouts.

 

The comments, in an interview with the Mail on Sunday, come ahead of a keynote speech on welfare Mr Cameron is due to deliver next week.

 

The measures said to be under consideration include scrapping most of the £1.8 billion in housing benefits paid to 380,000 under 25s, worth an average £90 a week, forcing them to support themselves or live with mum and dad instead.

 

It could also mean stopping the £70-a-week dole payment for individuals who do not try hard enough to get work and forcing a hard core of unemployed to do community work after two years - or lose all their benefits.

 

OK but why doesn't he start putting jobs on the market first instead of throwing thousands out of work every week to make the rich Richer etc. A law that if you had to give up you house you're buying, or get evicted etc. you will still be responsible to pay the interest rates you would have paid. Then con's thousands to become 'Tories' and union haters by compulsory Council house sale, - which money wasn't allowed to build more houses etc. but went to government coffers. Then throws them out of work and puts interests rates up to 18% one time. Consequently 1000's a day lost their homes, which her cronies buy up cheap as 'Housing Associations etc. That is was 1000's declared bankruptcy, the only way out. Thousands were they that went years paying etc.

Instead of the thousand coal miners putting £70 - £100 a week into the coffers she closes pits and steel works for her cronies investing overseas and bring in worst quality goods at higher prices. Besides then having to pay £200 or more out of the Coffers to those forced on the dole.

Like the hospital workers now, the Police losing 34,000 whom instead of paying will be taking out at great costs to us all... well not the millionaires etc. of course.

 

So first off give all the genuine ones a job! Indeed plentiful so one can see those that don't want to work. AND we all know some of those. Then perhaps it will be that one is better of working, than not!

Mind, if he wants to save $billions on these things, he should finger print or something the immigrants that collect dole from 3 or 4 different dole offices. Make a few of the Million empty homes available and no more 4 / 5 families living in one house. Then the Thousands used for cheap labour, he should close the rings down and take away these 'Slaves' from the rich employers who flout the law with his blessings.

Time those that have paid the same percentage of their earnings as the worker does, has too.

Then he can spout from the roof tops in all honesty that he is being realistic and fair!

 

 

Must be your cheerful outlook on life that keeps you going :crying: everyone knows that giving handouts that we cant afford does not work so why knock those who are at least trying to correct it?? and i aint a tory

[JohnQuinn]

The solution is quite simple Roland, take every penny out of your bank account every month, if they haven't got our money they canny shaft us over and over again. In saying that the trap has been sprung and the public are almost totally reliant on their banks now. Forced to open accounts to get wages was the final straw.

[wings]

To help save money and make society a nicer place to be why not get all the smack heads to litter pick and clean the streets before they can have their methadone.

 

Take all the people that are fit and able to work but chose not too. Make then do the jobs that they say dont pay enough say for the council and let them earn the money they are gettiing. And only pay them if they actually turn up.

[knoxjn]

cant have that mate it would make far too much sense lol

[buster151]

my question is why does an immigrant need more to live on than a british person even our Dave wont give an answer to me on this but no worries we are all in it together

[knoxjn]

why does an immigrant even qualify we would get f all in their country

[buster151]

exactly we lived in Greece for a number of years had to pay into the system for 2 years before you qualified for a winter payment in the 3rd year this was done as most jobs there were seasonal also no free doctors or housing etc so if one euro country can do it why not all?

[DJWa]

why does an imigrant not pay any tax for the 1st year they are here

hence they can afford to take a lower paid job than a national who pays tax

thats why the lower paid jobs are snapped up by imigrants

an uneven playing field where they are at an advantage

 

 

 

also why do they claim child benefit legally

for children they have left in their own countrys

[buster151]

why does an imigrant not pay any tax for the 1st year they are here

hence they can afford to take a lower paid job than a national who pays tax

thats why the lower paid jobs are snapped up by imigrants

an uneven playing field where they are at an advantage

 

 

 

also why do they claim child benefit legally

for children they have left in their own countrys

I didn't know that they dont pay tax

[tiger]

Fine Tiger, buit first give them the chance to work, instead of throwing them out of work.

I hope you have the kids and grandchildren to support Tiger when that too won't be able to work, Paid out of you ever degreasing pension lol.

lets get one thing straight immigrants dont have a problem getting work its our own that dont want two work or WONT WORK as for my daughter she doe,s and her man ,and my grandaughter will be well of young lady when i pass on ive made sure of that

[Roland]

Any one and everyone of the working class can be unemployed within no time at all. One thing I always here is before hand 'If they want to work they can'! After, when can't afford much, is the reality of getting a job, especially one that is A. full time, and B. pays above the bare minium.

'Well getting thing straight eh! Yes I can see why the abolishing of slaves was real. Working 7 days, sometime till 10 gone at night for £13 day, less room and what they want to send back. But then again That's ok because they are subsidisers of the doll lol.

But then again this helps the welthy, not the ecomony! SAnd well this goverment knows it.

In reality if I earn the minimum wage, which the vast amount are of £240 a month. Less stoppages, coming out with upto £160, and three kids to support, pay mortgages etc. etc. and this Chancellor gives the rich club another £40,000 of their tax, which is very low if at all in the first place,then another £19.000 grand just a few weeks back, when they are in real terms 1/3 better off already stinks. And 'We are all in it together'! Forgot to say in the crap for the workers and in the money for the wealthy. A billionaire is £330.000 better of within one year of this government.

Our take home of £160 should equate to £220 in the same 'All in it together' crap.

Now we have yet again given the banks a massive injection of cash AGAIN , that's three times sine this government has done so since in office, NOT to bail out the greedy gits like the last government had to, but so that they can lend to the small companies AS was the last two. But of course they know it won't go to help the small man, businesses, but line the wealth's pocket and pay more bonuses out Fact that. And we are all in it together...

[tiger]

working class iam one of 8 my mum worked all her days as did our father < miner > ive got 3 brothers that could stop working now and never worry about money nor there grandchildren but they dont as it is bred in them two work, between them they have over 500 employes they work 16 or 17 hour days and they pay good money , fact as for the layabouts they dont want two work < legal > they have jobs on the side getting 50 pound a day plus benfits its a stick weve made for our selfs i work 7 days aweek while they party all night , not all are the same but we have a hard core that wont work thats the one thay they should be after , jmo

[geordie1234]

The problem is this will hurt the people who genuinely need housing benefit but there are those bums who can't/won't work that really get on my tits I graft my baws off so does my missus and sometimes feel no better off than the bum then british gas who I work for made billions last year but are paying hundreds off and giving our work to india south Africa and the like :emoticon-0179-headbang:

[Roland]

Agreed Tiger and geordie1234

Ditto here, 5 brothers and three sisters etc. etc. Most done well.

But Tiger, if through no fault of their' own yours lose their' jobs,can't get any work, and have any helped as of now entitled and paid into for, stopped, decreased even more on a regular basis, I can guarantee you won't be saying 'Ah well, that's life', I guess they will have to go without till time changes... and of course there will always be a bed etc. here for them here'.

I don't doubt for a minute you, and your's will / would rally round them and help as most decent and hard working families have and will continue to do. That is Chameleons big 'Social' thing he is harping on about and trying to introduce - Sorry IS introducing.

But I'd wager odds that you, like must after a while when housing benefits cease, and dole money keeps getting cut, and one thinks that they are back on the meagre bread line and goverment hands out back in the 30's, you won't be saying 'Aye, as long as those that have it, make the most of it, doesn't matter'. No! More like I've work hard, like my sons all my life(s) and paid my dues into the coffers to be entitled, and now I / we get nothing, but the weathy are still raking it it' etc.

When Tiger you, like me and thousands of others are penalised as the Chameleon says ' You have savings you aren't ntitled to anything'. I know you wouldn't be saying 'Ah bully for them and tough on us ... and so it should be'.