Loft Temp How Importent

[Guest KING BILLY]

with a lot of members getting heating in thare lofts wot is the corect tempreture and how can thay justafy it when old lofts that have been scoring out of turn at 500ml for years and if you had a choise would you pout it in with a lot of members not haveing thare lofts at thare back door

[just ask me]

i dont think the temp is too important i dont like it flying up and down though

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Without doubt it makes a big diffference in the earliest part of season in my opinion.

 

You don't have to look too far to see that King Billy.As for 500 miles with the Scottish race program,you are asking your doos come into peak order when the weathers at its best and the temperature fluctuates the least are you not??So it shouldnae matter too much with that being the aim??

[Guest KING BILLY]

i dont think the temp is too important i dont like it flying up and down though

it wont if you have the thermastat on

[Guest KING BILLY]

Without doubt it makes a big diffference in the earliest part of season in my opinion.

 

You don't have to look too far to see that King Billy.As for 500 miles with the Scottish race program,you are asking your doos come into peak order when the weathers at its best and the temperature fluctuates the least are you not??So it shouldnae matter too much with that being the aim??

so wots the corect temp and remember these old lofts have been wining not just at 500ml but all throw the seson just look at some of the sprint specalists down the alotment

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

so wots the corect temp and remember these old lofts have been wining not just at 500ml but all throw the seson just look at some of the sprint specalists down the alotment

 

From memory(might be wrong) Dave Allen says it should be 60 farenheit thats nearly 16 celsius 24/7 from April through to your racing ends.

 

I don't personally have heating or indeed power to the huts but know of a couple who do/did who say a similar temp is what your after.They are the fanciers who seem to do better than most in the earliest part of the year when its coldest and the temperature drops a lot at night.

[OLDYELLOW]

Surely birds in a fixed temperature loft would be more susceptible to the change of temperature outside the loft no heating or keeping the outside temperature static. So surely the best way is to have a more open loft to both sun and air for maximum health , surely the heat in a basket / wagon will be greater than any loft with heating , all temperature changes are not sudden , rock doves and feral pigeons are in the elements all year and without the need for heating , all tho most wild birds like sitting on warm chimney pots / gas flues to keep warm for what reason I do not know Birds regulate there own temperature anyway via trapping air in there feathers so surely any heating is no more than a fad of the fancier and there's no great proof of its effectiveness , and surely warm conditions would also favour more bacteria and parasites JMO saying it as it is , good birds win not heated lofts or magic potions

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Surely birds in a fixed temperature loft would be more susceptible to the change of temperature outside the loft no heating or keeping the outside temperature static. So surely the best way is to have a more open loft to both sun and air for maximum health , surely the heat in a basket / wagon will be greater than any loft with heating , all temperature changes are not sudden , rock doves and feral pigeons are in the elements all year and without the need for heating , all tho most wild birds like sitting on warm chimney pots / gas flues to keep warm for what reason I do not know Birds regulate there own temperature anyway via trapping air in there feathers so surely any heating is no more than a fad of the fancier and there's no great proof of its effectiveness , and surely warm conditions would also favour more bacteria and parasites JMO saying it as it is , good birds win not heated lofts or magic potions

 

The birds raced to these lofts will most probably be out for an hour in the morning and an hour at night,during this spell the temperature will almost definately be diffferent to the temperature inside the loft.As it will,as you say, in the race basket etc.

 

Going on what I take from the idea of having a constant temp in the loft,this is not a problem whatsoever.Where I think the benefit lies-is the pigeon with this constant temperature 22hours a day will take more energy from its feed that goes purely towards excercising and racing.On the other hand the pigeon whos loft temp drops dramatically at night or when its naturally cold outside will have to use more energy from its food to generate heat.

 

Therefore the pigeons in the heated loft should have more energy come raceday than the pigeons without it,assuming they are fed on a similar type of and quantity of feeding.

 

Like I say I don't practice this but its my opinion on it,which may be off the mark

[OLDYELLOW]

where's this constant dramatical sudden drop of temperature ????? I have a temperature gauge outside my back door and most days when it's been 10 degrees in winter daytime it's actually risen to 12 on some nights , Warmth doesn't drop dramatically to cause any problem or most species would simply die of shock , as I said birds feathers in a heated loft will actually open there feather up more to regulate there heat , if there not using as much feed to regulate there heat then surely this gives them surplus energy so in effect need less protein in there diet and if not burning it off would be at a disadvantage as would be stored as fat

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

where's this constant dramatical sudden drop of temperature ????? I have a temperature gauge outside my back door and most days when it's been 10 degrees in winter daytime it's actually risen to 12 on some nights , Warmth doesn't drop dramatically to cause any problem or most species would simply die of shock , as I said birds feathers in a heated loft will actually open there feather up more to regulate there heat , if there not using as much feed to regulate there heat then surely this gives them surplus energy so in effect need less protein in there diet and if not burning it off would be at a disadvantage as would be stored as fat

 

When its colder would your birds eat more if given the choice than when it is warm??

 

Many fanciers measure and weaken the mixture at the start of the week/season with no consideration as to the temperature,this is perhaps one of the reasons why they are a few minutes off the pace come race day??

 

In the Spring/Summer nights it is more often than not a lot colder at night than it is during the day.Not too mention the fact you could have a warm couple of days then a cold couple of days.The idea of having this constant temp in the loft is so the pigeons are not affected by this and all energy goes towards the race and their excercie.

 

Again I don't practice this,but the very few lofts I know of within 20 or so miles from my loft who do/did are/were the most successful in the earliest part of the year but as the racing goes on the gap is not as great.As with most things in this game I am sure this is not the only reason for this success early in the year as these guys are fantastic pigeon men,but I'm sure they wouldn't go to the hassle of installing heaters and paying for their operation if they felt it was of no benefit to them

[geordie1234]

Frank Taster had it! enough said

[Guest KING BILLY]

Frank Taster had it! enough said

A MILLER DEAN PALETT JIM CULLEN HAS NOT ENOUGH SAID LOL

[OLDYELLOW]

 

In the Spring/Summer nights it is more often than not a lot colder at night than it is during the day.Not too mention the fact you could have a warm couple of days then a cold couple of days.The idea of having this constant temp in the loft is so the pigeons are not affected by this and all energy goes towards the race and their exercise.

 

surely they will feel the same effects 4 times a day once when exit loft for exercise in to the cold then entering a warm loft when finished from the cold two times am and pm , surely better to be no difference surely the degree dramatic change is with heating rather than not having it , other points agreed

[geordie1234]

A MILLER DEAN PALETT JIM CULLEN HAS NOT ENOUGH SAID LOL

Stop stealing my patter Tam enough said haha

[frank-123]

everyone to there own i guess

have you heating in your own loft Tam?

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

surely they will feel the same effects 4 times a day once when exit loft for exercise in to the cold then entering a warm loft when finished from the cold two times am and pm , surely better to be no difference surely the degree dramatic change is with heating rather than not having it , other points agreed

 

Its not so much this change in temp that I'm on about.

 

Heres a scenario

 

Its the third week in April,my feds first race is this coming weekend-where once fanciers had to scrape snow off the landing board for the pigeons returning.

 

We have two pigeons of equal quality,fed the same rations and mixture.Excercised the same daily and sent with similar motivation.

 

One is in a loft where the temperature remains a constant 16 degrees celsius all day,all week

 

The other is in a loft where it may reach temperatures in the low teens during the day close to lunchtime but at night could be as low as 3 or 4 degrees.

 

Which pigeon would you say is best prepared for my feds first race??

[OLDYELLOW]

the fittest no matter of which loft it's in heated or not

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

the fittest no matter of which loft it's in heated or not

 

 

We'll agree to disagree on this one

[OLDYELLOW]

 

We'll agree to disagree on this one

or should I say by that race the bacteria and parasites took hold in the heated loft and the unheated loft won lol :emoticon-0140-rofl: :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[geordie1234]

I honestly don't think for one minute top fliers that use this are that daft to use this if it doesn't have a benefit

[Guest KING BILLY]

everyone to there own i guess

have you heating in your own loft Tam?

no mate i think thares a lot of things that can pout your doos onto a false bloom ie heat feeding and just when thay get thare hats on bang the form you think you had goes out the window thare are alot of difrent climates throut out britan but only one sun loft location and ultra vilet rays gatting into your loft is a must to keep your loft bone dry i no i sound as if am contradicting my self with say using the sun for heat but i think doos that are aclimitised to your loft and surounding conditions will fare better than doos with false hetting just look out for the mouldy crap that will tell you if your loft is right ask wee jocky about that one lol

[geordie1234]

no mate i think thares a lot of things that can pout your doos onto a false bloom ie heat feeding and just when thay get thare hats on bang the form you think you had goes out the window thare are alot of difrent climates throut out britan but only one sun loft location and ultra vilet rays gatting into your loft is a must to keep your loft bone dry i no i sound as if am contradicting my self with say using the sun for heat but i think doos that are aclimitised to your loft and surounding conditions will fare better than doos with false hetting just look out for the mouldy crap that will tell you if your loft is right ask wee jocky about that one lol

I thought that meant your ventilation was wrong???

[OLDYELLOW]

no mate i think thares a lot of things that can pout your doos onto a false bloom ie heat feeding and just when thay get thare hats on bang the form you think you had goes out the window thare are alot of difrent climates throut out britan but only one sun loft location and ultra vilet rays gatting into your loft is a must to keep your loft bone dry i no i sound as if am contradicting my self with say using the sun for heat but i think doos that are aclimitised to your loft and surounding conditions will fare better than doos with false hetting just look out for the mouldy crap that will tell you if your loft is right ask wee jocky about that one lol

So basically your saying same as me there creating false form and it always bites back , can't beat fresh air and natural sunshine to do most of the work for ya

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

or should I say by that race the bacteria and parasites took hold in the heated loft and the unheated loft won lol :emoticon-0140-rofl: :emoticon-0140-rofl:

 

very humorous

[Guest KING BILLY]

very humorous

thare must be members on her with heated lofts so come on boys dont be shy