Snfc Management

[frank-123]

Rene told me there was fog on the channel that's why i started the thread and rene did not retract his statement of fog on the channel if you look back the threads are you saying he has done that to the snfc enquiry?

not once did anyone bad mouth Paul Osborne nor Jim Hannah or any of the race control team

i will post the thread to Paul if i get a chance tomorrow just so he knows what was said or not said on here

 

well i spoke on the phone to Paul Osborne on the island of Alderney today it was me that started this thread regarding the birds that were lost from messac

i believe after talking to Paul today there was no fog on the English channel as i was lead to believe

 

May i apologise for any hurt to Jim Hannah,Peter Calder and Raymond White this thread may have caused as none was intended

I only wanted to find answers to why near on 1000 birds disappeared

[yeboah]

well i spoke on the phone to Paul Osborne on the island of Alderney today it was me that started this thread regarding the birds that were lost from messac

i believe after talking to Paul today there was no fog on the English channel as i was lead to believe

 

May i apologise for any hurt to Jim Hannah,Peter Calder and Raymond White this thread may have caused as none was intended

I only wanted to find answers to why near on 1000 birds disappeared

I am sure you never set out to start a witch hunt against the control team as you state all we wanted to find out was what went wrong because it certainly went wrong big time ,weather may have been fine at liberation including the channel,but our birds had a lot of France to fly over before hitting the water ,then they had a vast expanse of water to face with no turning back ,we all no that day that we were racing a very active-weather front coming in from the Atlantic ,have spoken to many people and the weather from poole westwards towards Cornwall was not good with fog in Cornwall area's ,south wales was not good ,cricket was held at Nottingham because of rain ,also rained most of the day in york ,so our birds did not get it easy,still convinced they met major problems before they got out of France or even mid channel,if they had not we would have had many birds working home ,everyone of us including the controllers who also had birds away wished things had turned out different,we are always going to get a debate nowadays with the power of the Internet,nothing wrong in asking we are all trying to find the answers that are out there

[Guest rene]

well i spoke on the phone to Paul Osborne on the island of Alderney today it was me that started this thread regarding the birds that were lost from messac

i believe after talking to Paul today there was no fog on the English channel as i was lead to believe

 

May i apologise for any hurt to Jim Hannah,Peter Calder and Raymond White this thread may have caused as none was intended

I only wanted to find answers to why near on 1000 birds disappeared

 

 

did Paul say about the fog that i mentioned from falmouth through too portland then frank-123 ? and why the irish had held thier birds over an why they were held ? do you know if many of the birds have worked back or been reported ?

[frank-123]

did Paul say about the fog that i mentioned from falmouth through too portland then frank-123 ? and why the irish had held thier birds over an why they were held ? do you know if many of the birds have worked back or been reported ?

 

no he never but he said he gave the irish boys the go ahead to lib but they choose not too due to bad weather closing in from the west into ireland

never heard of a bird reported or worked back

the original thread i posted fog in the channel and you were my source so maybe you can tell me was there fog in the english channel?

[Guest rene]

no he never but he said he gave the irish boys the go ahead to lib but they choose not too due to bad weather closing in from the west into ireland

never heard of a bird reported or worked back

the original thread i posted fog in the channel and you were my source so maybe you can tell me was there fog in the english channel?

 

 

yes i did say there was fog on the English side of the channel and still say there was as this is what i was told by my weather man as you can see from the post before mine i stasted the fog was from Falmouth through to Portland but the post before mine is saying the fog was even more further east then i knew as the post states it was fog from Poole down through to Cornwall unfortunatly i dont think we will ever find the real cause to such a bad race and feel for the fanciers who have lost there birds semm very strange that none have worked back or been reported if some gallant birds made it through why did the rest of them not make it surely so many birds cant disapear just like that ?

[Delboy]

well i spoke on the phone to Paul Osborne on the island of Alderney today it was me that started this thread regarding the birds that were lost from messac

i believe after talking to Paul today there was no fog on the English channel as i was lead to believe

 

May i apologise for any hurt to Jim Hannah,Peter Calder and Raymond White this thread may have caused as none was intended

I only wanted to find answers to why near on 1000 birds disappeared

 

What puzzles me is why we still dont know what happened .This is what pisses everyone off, instead of all pulling the same way and getting answers, we still have the ``them and us '' attitude.I think the national racing in the last few years has been very hard in fact you could say there has only been a few decent races, WHY, no one knows and everyone just seems to accept it.WHY, because they are used to getting bad races.ps. Frank, you have absolutely nothing to apologise for.

[Guest IB]

Sorry, IMO the 'fog issue' has not yet been settled. The current part of the thread started as a result of Paul Osborne's letter 'Looking for a Scapegoat' published in BHW letters page, P6. That letter quite clearly states there was fog present in the channel on Friday 24th June. ('Now to the important bit. Later that morning I spoke with Neville Walbridge, ...'

 

Fog was present in the western channel around Portland.

 

I bring this up because some on here did say that the birds were likely to make landfall at Portland. Neville Walbridge was contacted for weather info by the Irish National, but not the SNFC. So where was the most likely English south coast landfall for line of flight checking?

 

To my knowledge there have been only 4 Messac pigeons reported - 1 at Otterburn, hawked (Delboy), and the other 3 were in the western channel - 1 Jersey, 1 Penzance and 1 Scilly Isles. Why were these pigeons so far West?